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"You love who you love by chance, by choice, and by fate. You can't change that. If love is truly the strongest force, two people of the same sex should be together."
""love is personal, not political"I am currently 14 years of age and a female. When I was smaller I started thinking well where is my princess. this was around age 4-8 ish. in 5th grade I was 10 I had been exposed to dating and crushes. I liked another girl. she didn't like me back she called me lesbian. at the time I thought that it was a bad thing. I went home upset and hurt my sister told me the quote on the top of my comment. And it is so true. if people have feelings for the same gender we should be able to express it. we shouldn't be afraid that society will shoot us down to make us feel like nothing. WE ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!!!!!!!! right now I am in 9th grade in high school and I'm glad that I learned to have PRIDE. I have a girlfriend and I love her LBGT for life!!!!!<3<3<3<3"
"I think that gay marriage should be allowed because every one is allowed to marry or love anyone they want, its not like everyone is going to die because of it!"
"I believe you should be able to marry whoever you would like to marry, no matter what anyone else thinks, says, or does. If they don't like you because you're gay, screw them. If someone doesn't like you because you're straight?? Screw them! I hate it when people discriminate against others because of their sexuality, gender, religion, skin color! Where is this even getting you besides making someone upset or angry with you. I don't understand you people!! If you don't support it, don't do it! Don't take someone else down because you don't support what they do! Goodness gracious alive, some of you people make me sick."
"If a Christian thinks that gay marriage is a sin under their religion, that's suddenly a reason to outlaw it.What if a Hindu thinks eating beef is a sin? Should they be able to say nobody is allowed to eat beef? Should a Buddhist prevent the entire country from drinking alcohol? Should an Orthodox Jew prevent everyone in the United States from working on the Sabbath? Freedom of religion also means freedom from having someone else's beliefs imposed upon you by law."
"I agree with the pro side same- sex couples should have the freedom and liberty as any other straight couple. What makes them so different that they have to be treated like trash because they like the same sex as them. Would straight couples like if same- sex couples picked on them because they didn't Ike their own sex. So thinks about what you can do to make a difference and support same- sex couples. -Alyssa-"
"Marriage is not about producing children exclusively. If it was, infertile and elderly people would also not be allowed to marry. If we're going to dredge up the past, many historical figures married purely for politics and then had people one the side."
"All I want is to be loved, is that so wrong?"
"No wanting to be loved is not wrong. Everybody is able to get married no matter their sexuality."
"I'm Christian. I believe in gay marriage. Why? Because God told me to love everyone and not to judge my neighbors. If my neighbor, if my friend, if my relative loved someone the same sex as them, and if their partner loved them back, who am I to judge? I am not part of their union. I do not have the right to condemn their love. Love is love is love, regardless of gender, race, etc. I have seen heterosexual marriages less stable and less loving than homosexual marriages. Let people love and marry whom they love. If they love each other, they should be able to get married and have a family away from the prying eyes of society."
"I agree with many of these pro's. Gay marriage does not harm anyone else. If they don't agree with it then just leave it alone. Love is love, no matter what."
"why shouldn't people be able to get married when there sexuality is slightly different from a lot of other people's?and can please get a response that doesn't give an excuse from the bible can i please get an actual argument."
"Let me start this conversation by stating that I am a heterosexual woman and I believe that love rules. Is it not anyone's business to know your sexual preference, neither is it their business to judge to say what is right in your life. It's your choice so who cares if they're not living in it. Everyone wants to revert back to the bible, but does the bible also say, theft, lying, cheating, and pre-marital sex a sin, but many people point that homosexuality is? That makes no sense to me. If people want to revert to the bible, stop being hypocritical Christians and Catholics and remember the words of, "No Sin is greater than another". Love rules over everything and I'm glad to say that it has now become legal in the U.S. ."
"What is so wrong about gay marriage? Just because you like the same gender doesn't mean anything. You are still a person. You have rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Telling someone to listen to the bible and to not be gay is ruining those rights. If they want to be with the same gender, let them. It's THEIR pursuit of happiness."
"I think that Gay marriage should be legal. Who people love is up to them. It does not matter what gender it is."
"You love who you love....nobody should be in your business.Just because you like the same gender doesn't mean you are strange. It doesn't mean you aren't human. WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS PEOPLE."
"it doesn't matter if you marry a guy or girl. as long as your happy and in love. no one has the right to take away who you can love. you can love who you wanna love. and if someone throws a fit about it. SCREW THEM. it shouldn't matter what gender you love. god might have said that its wrong, but he also said he loves all his children no matter what. you have no right to judge someone on that. because those word your calling gays and lesbians are completely wrong. just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you can disrespect it. grow up. and for all you gays and lesbians? keep living your life and stay the same. don't let anyone take away your happiness, freedom, rights, and love. you are strong. you are loved. gay and lesbian marriage is protected"
"i think that it sould be legal because it would be denying someone else rights and belief"
"The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of RELIGION. Your religious opinion is alright but you cannot expect same sex marriage to be illegal. It simply goes against the constitution and YOU should respect that. I respect peoples opinion that they do not support same sex marriage. But I do not respect them when they actually believe it should be illegal. If gay marriage should be illegal than so should women speaking in church- 1 Corinthians 14:34, getting remarried after a divorce- Mark 10:11-12, and so should getting tattoos- Leviticus 19:28. There should not be a debate discussion on this topic because there is no debate. Denying same sex marriage is unconstitutional. That is all."
"People should be able to make there own choices and if a boy wants to marry a boy or a girl wants to marry a girl then they should be able to do it."
"I think that gay marriage should be legal. Being gay is a natural, biological, quirk that may make me useless biologically wise. But there are lots of things that people do that don't benefit their species. Birthday parties, cosmetics, and keeping pet fish. And yet nobody calls aquarium keeping unnatural. People say that homosexuality is s sin against God. I am not religious. You cannot subject me to laws based on a religious text. If gay marriage is between two consenting adults, then their is nothing wrong with it. Dating is okay between two consenting people."
"I am for same-sex marriage because if two people love each other then why should we stop them from becoming married? Being in love is being in love, it doesn't matter who the two people are that are getting married. Love doesn't care whether it is a man loving another man, a man loving a woman, or a woman loving another woman. If we, as people, try to take away one of our most basic rights, then we are no better than scum. There is an old saying that "love will conquer all" and that saying became true. Love did conquer all and love won."
"Every body has a right to love who they want!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Men are seen as worriors. Women are seen as care givers. To be gay means to be both a Worrior, and a Care giver wich is truly a magical thing.-Sherman Alexi"
"Theres nothing wrong with gay marriage. Just because its two guys or two girls doesn't mean you can deny them the right to be happy. The bible has nothing to do with modern society, you can't pray in school and we've been ignoring the bibles teachings for years considering women have rights at all and many "christians" have been eating ham. Its their business so why are you even bothering to judge them in the first place, what right do you have."
"People sound so stupid when they say that they have gay friends but don't think that gay marriage is okay. Like you literally want to take away your friends' rights. REAL friendship there guys woow."
"Same-Sex couples deserve a chance. Love is love no matter what. Nobody's asking for your permission."
"When I found out my mom was Gay I was all for it! I love my mother dearly and if she is happy with her partner then I'm happy. Her partner has taught me a lot of life lessons that I couldn't learn from my dad. One because he doesn't pay attention to life and two because he's a jerk. But without my mom's partner I wouldn't be the person I am today."
"First off, the human population doesn't need anymore members. Second, religion isn't an excuse to hate homosexual people. Third, what does it matter? It doesn't affect you in any way. They'll just be around. Homosexual PEOPLE are people too. They're no different than anyone. They just have different beliefs like everyone else does."
"I argree 130%. The human populstion could actually not only sustain a drop in birth rates, it could acttually do better with it. Some scientistist do agree that we will start running out of food from too much consumers."
"just let people be happy. it doesn't concern you at all. its other peoples life not yours."
"hi im a 14 year old girl and im proud to say im gay, nobody chooses to be gay they are born gay just because it is a sin does not mean gays will go to hell everybody sins its common no matter who you are, gay marriage should totally be legal because its no different from hetrosexual marriage and I hate that people think it should be illegal its like saying im not allowed to love and get married no amount of therapy will ever change someones sexuality if this is America why don't I have the freedom I want"
"I agree with the Supreme Court's decision because every kind of couple deserve to be together. You marry because you love someone, not because it is a must for a man and a woman to be together and have kids. Honestly, the world is already overpopulated, and there are so many kids who have no parents whatsoever. Most same-sex couples adopt, so they are contributing in a better way. And who says a household needs a man or a woman? Why not two women or two men? These kinds of households are the same as any single-parent household in that there is an absence of either a man or woman. The only difference? YOU HAVE TWO PARENTS WHO LOVE YOU VERY MUCH. What exactly are you missing if you don't have a mother or a father? Do you expect the father to play sports with his kids or something? Do you expect the mother to always be at home, taking care of the kids? That is stereotypical. Is that how you view men and women? By using these gender roles? The reasons why marriage is important to same-sex couples are that they are legally bound to each other and can receive benefits from it, and because it shows that there are people who approve of their relationship. Why should anti-gay people be able to dictate the lives unrelated to them?"
"@Simon: Is love a kind of feeling that just arises because we "feel like it"? How exactly does child-rearing change if there's two moms or two dads involved? The point is to make the child feel safe and comfortable in their environment. They have two parents, regardless of sex, who love him or her very much. This has nothing to do with being superior than nature. Sure, we are designed to have children, but that shouldn't be the main goal of our existence. It sounds cheesy, but we should spread the love. The child is only hurt because of the very people who oppose gay marriage attack his or her family. Who is in the wrong? Not the family."
"Who says kids need a father and a mother? One might as well ask the same of everything else nature intended..Sure, humans have transcended nature in many ways, but we have not yet changed our biology, something that evolved over billions of years to work in a certain way. It is shallow to think we can live contrary to our design and make decisions on something as fundamental as child rearing because we "feel like it".Does it feel warm and fuzzy, basking in our own superiority, having "conquered" nature again? Surely we call this kind of sentiment... juvenile?"
"LGBT people are people too! Denying lesbian and gay people their right to get married will take away civil rights. Another form of rasicm-and admitting you are against gay marriage means that you are "racist"- just in a different way"
"Gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry legally. They should because they are in love with each other just like straight people are. They are no different than we are. If you weren't straight and wanted to marry someone that you were madly in love with whether they were the same gender as you and you couldn't legally, how would you feel. Gays and lesbians are always made fun of and discriminated against because they don't like the opposite sex. They are made fun of because of the way that they are. You need to think about how you would feel if you couldn't marry the one you loved instead of passing a ridiculous law about marriage. It's meant for everyone and everyone should able to enjoy it without facing discrimination. It's not fair to make fun of them for who they are and who they love."
"Whats the point of the so called "free country"? Why can't people marry the same gender? It's not like your gonna die from gayness right? So let them be and mind your on business. And why do you even care? So you hate gay I get it, but what I don't get is why do you want to do this, like you can marry another gender but that's YOUR OPINION. So let them be!"
"gay people should get married because they should be happy and to live together. people are rude to make sure that gay people cant get married."
"The cons in order:1.Who defines marriage as such? Religious texts, and freedom of religion also means freedom from having someone else's religion dictate who you can and can't marry2.Surrogates? Adoption?3.There was only 1 study that said this, and it has been proven unscientific4.I'm sorry, in what way is marrying another adult human being like marrying a donkey?5.What does this even mean? I'd like to see proof that straight marriage is holding the country together like he claims.6.See 17.See 18.This is an argument against ending civil unions, not ending gay marriage9.When interracial marriage became legal, did black culture cease to exist?10.First, how exactly does it "ape heterosexual privilege" and the claims shows that gay marriage should be expanded to include other queer people, not exclude every queer person11.What if I believe heterosexuality is wrong? Should I be able to not pay for their benefits?12.And yet the Supreme Court has said multiple times it IS a right13.See 1, and I could argue I'm being brainwashed by the conservatives into thinking homosexuality is wrong.14. Okay, how about we deny the straights the benefits of marriage too and see how that goes over, shall we?"
"Just because they have a different sexuality than other people, doesn't mean they need to be treated like some piece of trash wandering the streets. I saw a video yesterday on walking around the streets as a gay and the responses I saw from people were awful. People have no respect for this society. Everyone is selfish and self-centered. Gay marriage is a beautiful thing and Praise the Lord that the United States of America legalized gay marriage in all 50 states. I'm 13 and straight but that doesn't mean I hate gays. I have many gay and bi friends who I treat just like any other person, because they are no different than us, they're people too."
"Fun fact:in the bible the word "f**" is a typo the person that did it put down the wrong letter. we know this because the bible talks about god hateing FIGS several times in the bible but the "f**" concept is only mentioned oncethe truth: the definition of marrige is not a man and a woman is is uniting two people legally who perform an act of love towards each other. and the term "f**" is used towards a cigarette or a stick that is used to be burned."
"Everyone should get the chance to be happy. I think that people getting married 1500 times taints the "purity" of marriage more than same sex couples!"
"There is a separation between church and state. There are many religions that support gay marriage. Science has also proved that people are born LGBTQ+. Allowing gay marriage gives members the LGBTQ+ community their civil rights. No one's rights should be denied or taken away. Back in the 1970s mental health organizations no longer considered homosexuality as a mental illness. Love is Love. If a couple regardless of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity love each other t they should be allowed to get married."
"I think it's wonderful, let people be who they are and not be scared because of what society will say. If there happy then that's all that matters who are you to judge them? Let them live there life in love. It doesn't matter with who. People should worry about there own life's anyways and besides its a new generation now."
"Yes i think it should be legal in all states. I am best friends with a lesbian and my aunt is by sexual."
"love is love. people should have the right to be and be with who they want. it would be stupid to go against the supreme court. no matter what tradition says."
"I think that gay marriage should be allowed because you can't control who you fall in love with. You just don't have enough control over it. It shouldn't matter who you like, love, or marry. As long as you're happy then everybody should be encouraging you instead of tearing you down. You should be able to love who ever you want. Happiness is all that SHOULD matter even if nobody else thinks that it does."
"I have never known someone who identifies himself or herself as gay or lesbian to me, but I wouldn't be so ignorant as to say I have never met a gay or lesbian. When you tell people about your husband, wife, and kids, they are scared to be so open to you, talking about their husband, wife, and kids. They should be accepted and loved and socialized like the rest of us."
"Yes!!! Discrimination should not be what our society basis decisions one when it comes to the union of a couple."
"people act as if they only sin on gay marriage and its the end of the world. Well I'm sure everyone sins everyday it's life. You don't see us bothering you because of your sins."
"I understand how people may say that homosexuality is a sin, but that is only relevant to their beliefs, and could be biased. Not everyone believes in the same god, or a god at all. Once again, if you do not support it, do not push your believes onto them. Most people would go to say that when they already have a religion, they do not want another forced upon them. Do not force, pressure or threat anyone to believe what you do. If you don't support homosexuality, then simply do not be homosexual."
"My friend Nathan is catholic, and he likes to show his feminine side. Hes not actually gay, but hes cool. The likes the fact that you can marry who you love."
"Okay!! To all you people who keep saying what would God say about Homo-sexuality and throwing quotes out from the bible... I have a question for you: What would God say about it TODAY??? Not 3500 years ago I mean today. Now most of you will say that God would say NO to Gay marriage... but to me personally it is the 21st century all of us including God has evolved in our thinking since 3500 years ago.. he, today, would most likely say that yes its totally OK... and you wanna know why I think this??? I bet you do so here goes: I think this because GOD MADE EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF US THE WAY WE ARE!!!! wow shocker right?? He made us this way and he made you that way... we are all the same in that God made us and don't you think that God would much rather us come together on this earth he made for us than to fight over something he did?? We were born gay MADE gay and you were born straight... So what can you say about your God now??"
"dear gayhatersI'm gay why would u care, its my life in america. i can do want i want. god said he loved everybody, then why not gays, i follow the bible. it just says don't be a jerk face to other people. and love everybody, i follow that rule of being a nice human to others. the peeps that wrote it were a product of their time, where woman where see to only tend to the farms and make babys, thats not now, that was 2,000 years ago. let it drop."
"First and best argument : there is absolutely no reason to be against, let alone the 14 listed which are all inadmissible."
"AS far as gay marriage goes, love is love. People should be with the one that they love, right? When the supreme court ruled that gay marriage is allowed, what it meant was gay marriage is to be recognized. All of a sudden, everyone went nuts. Nobody is imposing anything, no matter what some kooks say. Marriage is based on love. Nothing more. Why try to take that away from the LGBT. A question to the cons: Let's suppose that straight marriage was illegal, and not allowed, and the way to go is a man has to marry a man, and woman has to marry a woman. Could YOU conform to that standard if it was the norm? If not, why force gay people to do such a thing? This is coming from a hetero person by the way. Same sex marriage is nothing new. A chief of the Lakota Tribe married a man, and had two on the side to play with. In certain regions men have married men since the 1500's, and women in some parts of the world have married women, and nobody had a problem with that. A lot of antis came up with ridiculous arguments, probably because they fear true love for anyone outside of the norm, which makes them oppressors. If you people are for choice, why force people to conform to something that they obviously can't? It is wrong to do that."
"-SAME-SEX MARRIAGE THOUGH THE EYES OF A FORMER UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP IMMIGRATION OFFICER - Most of us could agree that The Supreme Court's historic ruling striking down Section 3 of the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) is an enormous victory for loving, married couples and their families, and affirms that they deserve equal treatment under the law.However, a raucous scene unfolded at the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services on July 1, 2013 as anti-gay-marriage conservatives Directors defied a June 26, 2013 judge's order to equal protection under the Constitutional Amendment. Opposing officials has set off a cascade of dispute over DOMA within the USCIS Oakland Park Field Office. As a former federal immigration officer, I am particularly troubled that a State such as Florida has that caliber of federal employees working for the federal government. In fact, I had witnessed officials abusing their authority during DOMA in 2013 and still abusing their discretionary authority in 2016. What do you think? Should any person, federal employee or not, be crucified today (2016) for establishing the existence of a relationship all do way back on June 28, 2013 when both parties had a valid marriage certificate from New York City, a state that recognized the Marriage Equality Act since July 24, 2011?"
"Heb.13:3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body. Verse:4 Marriage is Honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 1st.Tim.4:3 Forbidin to marry , and commanding to abstain from meats, witch God has created to be received with thanksgiving of them witch believe and know the truth. So if you want to go back to drawing arrows in the sand to see how has the worst sin. Good luck . But my guess is if your on the wrong side in this matter, you got more problems with the important things like how Jesus really is."
"Let me just say that I was adopted at the age of 8 by two lesbian women. I turned out fine. Before i was adopted, I was taught that being gay was wrong. Then i got adopted and realized that they are people, just like everyone else. They have the right to their own lifestyle, and if everybody would mind their own business, we wouldn't have this problem. I mean, so much for america the free when all America does is discriminate based on sex, race, and religion, which is exactly what we say we don't do. Its absolutely ridiculous to me. I have a very strong opinion on this matter, and I can go all day talking to you, probably end up telling you to just f*** off, but sadly i am limited to only 1250 characters. Either way, if your gay, lesbian, bi, or whatever, then you go ahead and strut it. Be proud of who you are. Be proud to be different.Because honestly, name two people who are the exact same? You cant. They dont exist. How can you judge someone for being an individual, for being unique, when you're no different yourself? Being normal, isnt normal. Thats all i have to say.A little bit about me:I'm 14.I'm female.And I dont care what you think. Everyone has rights. America is built on the foundation of equality. Respect that."
"No words could be truer, I learned my mom was gay when I was eleven. She grew up in a conservative household and she went to school with good people, She is now in a proud relationship that works great and she is happy. If my mom is happy I'm happy for her! I'm 16 and I approve Gay Marriage!"
"Congress/Governments need to take out the word "religious right". The right for same sex marriage has nothing to do with religion, for religion was creator by the controllers as an excuse using God/Creator/Source for the right to control others through judging their actions and self-worth. Not all people who get married believe in religion."
"Absolutely yes. Homosexual couples are no different than heterosexual couples. They love, cherish, and embrace the value of monogamy just as much yet, because of irrational religious roots, only heterosexual couples practice the right to marriage. There really needs to be marriage equality regardless sexual orientation. Gay couples have rights and should be allowed to freely engage in the right to marriage."
"JamesFunny that you bring sickness of the mind into it because love is a chemical inbalance in the mind. Have you ever heard love sick. Point being you can't control people to your liking or you'll be as worse as Hitler or Stalin. What next you're going to move people who don't agree with you to the surfs. I hope one day you open up your mind but until then you can keep imagining that gay marriage is unholy. While your at it you should probably kill your wife and your mother for wearing different types of fabric. You might think that is a completely different thing and we've moved on from that. Then why can't we move on from this because you believe marriage is a union between man and woman. You know what's also a union a slave union. I don't think alot of people would want to bring that back. but the bible even talks about slaves and talks about owning slaves. You also talk about how it's not a religious matter but a state matter or just an idea. Interesting that you believe that because even in our bill of rights we have the three-fifths clause which counted blacks as only three-fifths of a person but that was removed after 1960ish."
"You could call it unity but not marriage. It's not marriage. Those who think it's marriage have a sickness of mind and are totally blind and those are not so blind as those who will not see. It's not totally a matter of religious ideas. It is something that is resisted by both religious and non religious people as un natural sex. No one is speaking about friendship but don't even call it marriage."
"If gay marriage is a sin under your rules, why is it your problem if someone else does it? If two people across the street get married and are a happy family, how does it affect you? Maybe they already know that the Bible considers it a sin. Maybe they don't really mind. Different people have different rules. If you want to follow the Bible, that's great. Follow it to your heart's content. But don't try to make others go along with your rules. Think about it. As a kid, did you ever have a friend whose parents had house rules that were more strict than yours? Perhaps. Did they force you to obey their rules while you were in your own house? I certainly hope not.At any rate, I'm not trying to say religion is bad. It's great that you have faith that you'll still be around after you die. And it's great that you've got something that gives you hope, and something that tells you to be a good person. All I'm saying is that you don't need others around you to believe exactly what you do. You don't need them to follow your rules."
"Epulun, they aren't technically forcing their beliefs on you. They're not making you marry someone of the same gender. They're doing something in their own life that doesn't really affect yours too much. I mean, you're not forcing your beliefs on me by practicing them on your own. I don't expect you to let others force their beliefs on you. I wouldn't let them do that to me. I just mean that people should practice their own beliefs (And sure, share them with others who practice them) but be accepting of what others practice. You don't have to agree with them, but you don't have to feel like they're forcing their beliefs on you by practicing them.At any rate, I'm not saying you can't share your practices with others of the same religion. Sidenote, this whole debate should not include religion anyway. Separation of church and state is a very important thing. We live in a free country in which anyone can practice any religion they want to."
"James, I must say that actually, homosexual behavior could be considered quite natural. Many animals engage in it as well as people. In fact, bats are the species with the highest homosexuality rate, not people."
"Becasue you are leaching off the backs of the hetrosexual community. you rely on the hetrosexual couples to poduce the stock from which you will choose to have relations with. you arenot creatign your own offspring?"
"It's not a matter of my rules. It's a matter of what is right and wrong, natural versus unnatural. Homosexual sex is not natural neither is gay marriage. It is the belief of unnatural thinking people who try to justify their perverted behavior. Yes there is a matter of religious rules and is a matter of what non religious people who feel the same. Hey those who do religion and those who don't are on the same page here! One does not have to have religious rules to oppose something as sick or as unnatural as gay sex. No one opposes relationships and love for another human being. It is the behavior involved and the gays call it marriage when the truth is not marriage. It's some kind of unity of persons but DON'T call it marriage because it isn't. It is a gross distortion of what marriage was always meant to be, the union of a man and a woman!"
"Some people have rules that it's ok to steal your money! Or kill you to get it. It's also against certain civil rules like being illegal to shout fire in a crowded theater, even though we have freedom of speech! Or to call in false emergencies, etc. It is a shame that our supreme court has passed gay marriage into law. It will be interesting to see how soon that law gets repealed, and also bad things happening like when gay married couples go for divorce! After all, that's how to get out of a marriage. Right? Wonder which woman or man will assume the role of head of household on their income tax forms? Wonder if this gay marriage thing turns out to be a fad when numerous gay married couples realize it's not what it's cracked up to be??"
"Churches or groups of people who share a religious faith agree on a collection of ideas and concepts which is called their doctrine. It sounds like you are asking religious people to give up their right to share in a common agreed upon faith. Civil law has often found its source in prior religious doctrine. For instance, laws against murder originated from religious doctrine that unjustified killing of another human being is morally wrong. When the gay rights lobby gains enough political power to erase 5,000 years of cultural prohibition against homosexual marriage, then they will be forcing their beliefs on heterosexuals just as heterosexuals have up until recently denied marriage license to gays. It's all about political power."
"There nothing wrong with loving another person of the same sex"
"In addition to my earlier argument, those who think that gay marriages should not be allowed because they produce no offspring are complete and utter idiots. What about people who are infertile? We still allow them to marry, even though they cannot produce children. And what about women who have gone through menopause? As you can see, that con argument is proved invalid. Then there is the slippery slope and religious arguments (homosexuality will lead to incest, it is against God, etc). It boggles my mind that people can be so stupid and myopic. I hope you remember that the human race was born from incest, according to the bible. And as for gay marriage promoting incest, how many people do you honestly know who support incest or polygamy here in the states? No one I know. Finally, it is our constitutional right to be allowed freedom of religion, therefore Christianity can still exist BUT no one has to conform to it. So the argument that it is considered wrong by Christianity and therefore should be forbidden is proven invalid. Other arguments (ie gay marriage undermines the definition of the term marriage and should therefore be stopped) have no real backing whatsoever. Just go look at them. Varan"
"Varan, I like your point. But I don't necessarily like the way you presented it. While I totally agree with you about gay marriage, I think that attacking people and deciding they are complete and utter idiots is a little unnecessary. People can have ideas that you find quite idiotic, but that doesn't mean the people themselves are idiotic people. Because if they're idiots, there's not even a point in arguing with them. If the people themselves are idiots, you can't fix any of it, so there'd be no point at all in you making your argument anyway.However, if their ideas are idiotic, but they themselves aren't idiots, you can still change things.At any rate, I'm sorry if I'm being a bit too picky. I just wanted to point out that while you may disagree with someone's ideas, it's still not necessary to personally attack them.Thanks,Sedruff"
"Varan,Tell me how many children have been conceived in homosexual encounters? Thank heaven for us breeders. We do fill a niche role, don't we?"
"Just let them be :)))))))"
"omg yes it should legal whats the difference let people love who they want to love really!"
"I agree. People should be able to love whoever they want. And besides it's nobody's business if someone loves the same gender."
"I support same-sex rights for a few simple reasons. One: Because what people do and who they love is none of my business. For me to judge just destroys the part of being a good person.Two: The sanctity of marriage has more holes in it then a rotted piece of wood. If marriage was really sacred then divorce would not exist. But low and behold people divorce more often then ever before. Please reply to me why divorce is sacred but not same-sex marriage because I don't understand.Three: The fact that the only thing people have to back up there hate and disagreement for this subject is a book. Let that sink in for a second. You are using a book, that has been warped more times then ever, to give reason for being a d***. If you're mean and hateful to others and then think that all is forgiven because you're using something written down in a book then ask yourself this.If I didn't have this book what would I do different? If you never picked up a bible what would you do? Please send me a reply."
"Great questions! Unfortunately I'm not sure you're going to get a reply."
"Your bible may say that marriage combines a man and a woman, but mine says differently. My bible says, "Marriage unites one non-Christian person with one other non-Christian person." Gay people don't choose to be that way, and even if they did, that wouldn't make it okay to use religious beliefs to decide whether they can get married or not. After all, you choose to follow the Bible. But by my bible's rules, if you are Christian, you can't get married, and so you won't be able to form a family. Does that seem fair to you?"
"Okay, the way I put this was much too harsh. I have a different comment above that says what I mean in a way that seems way less attacking.Again, sorry if I've offended; I posted this late at night when I was pretty tired, and so I didn't really have a filter. There's nothing wrong with being Christian, or any other religion. My point simply was that you shouldn't make others follow your rules."
"Can I please have one con that doesn't involve procreation or religious beliefs?"
"Sure. Anyone who has observed two gay men kissing at a booth in a restaurant and both me and my girlfriend almost vomited at the sight. It just is not natural and plus it was obvious the guys were quite rude and continued this disgusting behavior as if they actually meant to provoke us. I was close to calling the manager but they decided to stop, and of course some other guys were not happy with their behavior. I wouldn't objected if some other guy gave both guys knuckle sandwiches!"
"I am ALL for gay marriage , I am 16 y/o and I feel that Gay Marriage should be legal because for one .. I don't see this as committing a crime . All your doing is Marrying the person you love , we should all have a say so in Marrying who we want to marry!! Me and my girlfriend are what you call " in love " and even though my mother isn't all for it (us) it makes me want to cry , I want to say that Gay Marriage isn't wrong , same sex marriage is like any other marriage , I am not any different from any other human , I eat , sleep , shower , go to school , and wake up everyday just like EVERYONE else , we are all human and we all have feelings , so I don't see what the problem is ... but I hate that my mother always has something to say about the bible when it comes to me and my girlfriend , I know what the bible is saying but one thing I don't get is ... how are you going to the club turning up with your friends with a bottle and drinking? The Bible forbids you doing any of that , having sex before marriage is forbidden and she still did that , so I think she should just leave me be because I AM HAPPY DOING WHAT I AM DOING , I am 16 y/o , My name is Malayzia , I am proud the way I am .. I have the best girlfriend in the world :) ."
"Let them have freedom"
"Gay marriage should be legalized. How would you feel if you couldn't be with the one you love? Yes, same sex marriages could be against your religion, but then again how much better does it make you to judge someone for their human rights? One of three trials of gay marriage began on October 10, 1972 with Baker V. Nelson. Baker declined the trial. California became the first state to pass a marriage bill. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allowed marriage in California to pass, but not all. In most states, same-sex marriage is allowed but may not be allowed the same that applies in opposite gender marriage. It may be against your religion to be okay with gay marriage, but yet does it make you any better to judge peoples rights for being happy? If they are happy being together, if it isn't physically hurting you. Then who are you to make the decision on whether or not gay marriage should be allowed in our country. In 2015, 35 states are passed to have legal marriage, as many more to come."
"All states should legalize Gay Marriages...."
"It seems like that's what happened. Don't you read the news or only once every month or so??"
"Why the hell are "religious views" being used as arguments? Separation of Church and State, people! Saying lgbt+ people can't marry because of "your religion" is like saying you can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet."
"Whoever wrote that comment is wrong.... Religious views are used because that is what the united states are based off of...hence the reason you see sayings such as "In God We Trust"... or "One nation under God...""
"Religous views" as you call it,are used because GOD created us,and,since we live in a sinful world,we make mistakes.Remember that God loves oyu but he doesnt approve on what you do,like,GAY MARRIAGE."
"Lets see1. Same-sex marriage is a civil right.2. Legalizing gay marriage will not harm the institution of marriage, and same-sex marriages may even be more stable than heterosexual marriages.3. Gay marriage legalization is correlated with lower divorce rates, while gay marriage bans are correlated with higher divorce rates.4. Many religious leaders and churches support gay marriage and say it is consistent with scripture. ( As many people have already said the bible is not something to be used against against gay marriage when I can use it against how people these days "disobey" it more than one and actually LIVE sinning it.)5. Denying some people the option to marry is discriminatory and creates a second class of citizens.6. The pledge of Allegiance: "liberty and justice for ALL" (Black, White, Gay, Straight, Depressed, Happy, Religious, Non-Religious, Boy, Girl, Tall, Short, Obese, Skinny, etc.) We ALL get "liberty" and "justice"!"
"This world needs people to LOVE one another! I am a straight white male, and even I can see that! So be gay or don't. I want happiness for everyone."
"umm... you forgot one part..... one nation UNDER GOD... I thought that might be important.... I have a feeling that that part of the pledge of allegiance is the next to go."
"And many religious leaders and churches are Communist! You fools. Don't you know that part of the Communist Manifesto was to infiltrate the churches with atheists in order to pervert our country so that "America will fall like an over ripe fruit into our hands!" Communists!!"
"1. Same sex marriage is NOT a civil right, SCOTUS made a mistake, pure and simple. And this will only force a bigger fight to make a US constitution change to keep SCOTUS from doing it again. Most sates voted for a ban by the majority, and the courts have tried to legislate form the bench.2. Same sex marriage is not more stable. same sex marriage does not create the blood bonds with children that parent have with their children the way a heterosexual relationship does.It does not correlate with lower divorce rates, evidence shows it is higher, because most are not recorded and most unions between gays is formed purely for the sexual urges.4. That is NOT true, they just keep silent or lie because of the pure HATE and ABUSE the LGBT people expound... 5. Well, not sure about calling them second class citizens, but they are not equal to heterosexual couples in the eyes of nature....6. You forgot a few groups like Murderers, pedophiles, rapists, to name a few, why are you now so selective with your choices???? If you try to claim that they violates laws which is why they don't count, may I remind you that gays violated state laws too."
"I think gay marriage should be legal everywhere. whats wrong about people wanting to be happy. anyone can be gay, but being able to show your significant other without getting judged also feels better. people say population will decrease this this and that. but gay will not take over the world there will be plenty of male-female relations. what do people think adoption is for? same-sex couples can love, care and give the same affection, especially to a kid who's parents were not ready for them. being equally happy between all no matter who you choose to love is what should matter. love is love, and nothing should get in the way of that."
"Same sex marriage is no different than heterosexual marriage. Both types of relationships are built on love and trust. Both kinds of couples want to spend the rest of their lives together. To deny them a normal life is discrimination against a part of them THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE! Judging people for their sexuality is worse then judging them for their skin color or their religion."
"If it is not different then why can't same sex couples have babies????"
"There's a separation of church and state, as our founding fathers declared in the Constitution. That doctrine still applies to the present day. People shouldn't include "god hates this" and "they will go to hell" when they're talking about marriage."
"I find that my homosexual relationship does not bring harm to anyone. We are just like any other couple, we hang out, go on dates, but we cannot get married in our state. I would love to do our wedding out of state, but it wouldn't be recognized where we live, and we don't have the money to move. I don't think it's right for anti-gay supporters to try and define marriage for us, because the definition in every dictionary I've looked in says nothing about gender. The only thing that would happen if gays are allowed to marry is gays will marry. The very fabric of society will not collapse around us as same-sex couples enter the wedding chapel. If gay people getting married is "immoral" then why are celebrities allowed to marry for fun? Why are people allowed to marry for financial benefits? If marriage is so sacred, then there should be laws against things like that, but there aren't."
"Let me have my say in this. Some of these 'comments' are a bit unintelligent. I am doing an essay, and this topic intrigues me to a very high level. why are we letting government men/women, decide who you love and can marry. Most of the information I gather always states that 'Marriage is between a man and a women.' That comes from the bible. What about the separation of church and state? I have many homosexual friends, and I'm glad my state doesn't have a ban. Those bans are unconstitutional, because you are taking rights away from people! We are ALL equal so why can't homosexual people have the same rights? Population is growing rapidly and you all worry about procreation? All those kids born are out of wedlock and to people who DON'T want them, what is wrong with a person who wants to love and care for a child, be that a man and a man, or a woman and a woman? It is no different."
"Marriage has until this sick idea of same sex marriage came about was always normal union between a man and a woman. Otherwise it's perverted. It has nothing to do with equal rights. It has everything to do with what is normal!"
"I believe all the comments that support gay same sex marriage are more that just a bit unintelligent. Face it. Same sex in not natural. It is an abomination. It stinks for the religious and the non religious persons. It's not a matter of just religious reasons. Man was born with equipment, women were born with equipment. So how do you plan to make babies?"
"JosieI'm gay and im happy about it nothing will or can do to change that. I'm 16 and in high school. everyday i get made fun of because im gay. but i tell them to grow up. I'm just being me and i think that they should legalize gay marriage all around the world.Like what do i do to be different? I'm normal just like all the rest. I'm a lesbian. and proud of it. my fiance makes me the happiest person in the world. I'm an American citizen and lesbian. And how would non-gay people like it if we made fun of you because your not gay like us? How would you like it if we made fun of you because you think your cool and so called "popular" because you play sports or something? We are all human on this planet...why cant you see that?"
"I believe that every one gay Or not should be treat like you wanna be treat with love and kindness for they are people to for me all gay people are love by me and are people that love the same-sex"
"Why should religion be a reason to ban gay marriage? This country is not run or make its laws by religion! if it did, America would be classified as a Theocracy (a country run by a church), and not a Democratic Republic. Besides, even if your bible says gay marriage is wrong, then people can choose to follow it or not. You cannot force your religion upon other people. That is like me saying, you can't eat cookies because i'm on a diet. Gay marriage doesn't affect you and nobody should be able to ban people who love each other to get married!"
"Screw religion. I'm a realist. This is America, you know home to the free and the brave. Freedom, and equality to all! Equality in homosexuality marriage is a right! It should not be banned in any state. Or divide the Gay marriage to the non gay marriage state! It'll be like the same thing back then when the united states divided states that banned slavery and states who accepted slavery! Where no better than back then, but this time it's with marriage that is none of our concern if homosexuals want to get married or not. It is not our choice it's theirs and banning gay marriages is idiotic for religious fools"
"If my two mom's tried to marry at a city hall and wasn't allowed because of what the controller believes what is in their best interest then why is it you are the controller. You obviously are a control freak yourself."
"I was married to my husband for 24 years, a very rough marriage due to alcohol and drug problems for my husband. We had four beautiful children and I am sure they witnessed more than there share of heartache. I remember many nights not being able to sleep & crying and praying to God to please let me find real love and compassion and closeness for my family. In 2007 my prayers were answered I met my now wife of 6 years in which we had to travel to Mass. to marry. My prayers to God were answered my family is a family now. There is love and laughter and caring, my children, although they miss there father God rest his soul, who passed away in 2011 , love there 2nd mom and I feel so blessed to have found her. I was born and raised a Catholic and I strongly believe in God, and although I no longer attend mass because I don't feel accepted, I believe something so wonderful had to have been my prayers finally answered by God. Amen."
"On the Con side, Mr. Sprigg asks, "Does society need children? Do children need a mom and a dad?"Obviously, society does need children, otherwise the human species would die out. However, allowing homosexual couples to marry does not prevent heterosexual couples from marrying, so that point is moot.The more interesting point is that of the mom and dad. Obviously they are both required to *produce* a child, but there are many heterosexual "couples" who birth a child and then are unable to care for it for whatever reason.Thus we have the institution of adoption. I am adopted myself, and my adoptive mother never married. I was raised by my mother and aunt. Children do not *need* to be raised by two opposite-sex couples. Therefore, this point is moot as well."
"Gay marriage should be allowed. According to the constitution it states that people have the right to make their own choices. In 2012, President Obama made History when he told ABC News, "I think same- sax couples should be able to get married." Since he is the president that the United States people have chosen then, then people need to respect that."
"Just because he is the president doesn't make his statement correct. How does anyone but Obama know if he is gay? That would put him in favor of it as the same would apply for any number of the idiots who passed it!"
"gay marriage has never been illegal so why bring it up now. i mean really it is their life so they should be able to make their own chose on what they want. right. some people are against it but it is there life not some body else's."
"Why not make drugs legal for them and let them OD and that would help fix them or make them realize that gay marriage is not what it's "cracked" up to be! When they OD on the stuff."
"In same sex marriages, who last name do the couples go by or use or do they keep their own last name? Just a little confused on this point."
"That can/is very confusing on income tax forms. Plus who claims head of household on the tax forms? That could mount up to a sizable argument that should have been resolved before these ignorant un naturals should have worked out before getting married. Quite an argument could happen over who is in charge! Whose last name do they use is a really good question too Freddie! Good point."
"Who will claim to be the head of household and on their income tax forms? Whose last name there? Or will the tax departments have to rewrite the tax forms?? Funny!! I'm actually laughing at that one! How should we address them? Can't we do Mr. and Mr. or can't do Mr. and Mrs. And how about the females? How would one address them? What if and when these couples adopt children? God forbid but how will the school officials handle this one? What? You say you've got two dads? Or two moms? Uh oh.What happens to the kids and what last name do they use? Hmmmmm!"
"It's like taking away someones right to breathe. Why can't people just accept that people want to marry someone different? All these CON Arguements are sort of bull."
"my mother and father divorced when I was 4 years old, after that I was raised by 2 women. My mother and my grandmother. I am now 20 years old and finishing up college. Although I am not gay myself, I have very strong feelings for gay rights and think that it absolutely outrageous that it is still even an issue. If marriage is strictly for reproduction purpose, then we shouldn't allow a unfertile male or female to marry then. Marriage is between any 2 people who love each other. It doesn't have anything to do with anyone else but the couple, so who are you to tell them they have no rights? If it is a choice to be gay why are people killing themselves over it? How long are we going to allow this to happen? Some of the greatest people I know are gay! So for all of you on the CON side, ask yourself. Does gay marriage even have any impact on your life/marriage? Probably not. We are all human here and all deserve the same rights! it's 2014 people!"
"I think it is great, although there still will be some opposition in certain sectors, I can not wait until I get down on my knees and propose to my lover, my best friend"
"The pros of legalizing gay marriage far outweigh the hypothetical cons.1. Economic boon to society. In the first year that New York City Marriage allowed for homosexual couples to marry, the city gained roughly 500 million in revenue from that year from gay marriage alone.2. Gay marriage leads to greater stability for such couples. Which might is great for the children and low amount of total pairings, slowing the spread of STIs.3. Homosexuals pairings are by no means a threat to marriage at all. Within the USA the states that allow for LGBT marriage also happen to have the lowest divorce rate, meanwhile the southeast states have the highest divorce rates in the entire country.4. Some religious leaders, including Native Americans, druids, quakers, episcopalians, temple satanists and rabbis feel like not allowing for gay marriage is an infringement on their religious freedom. As they aren't allowed to bless loving couples.5. The definition of marriage has changed quite a bit and even then, it varies from culture to culture. Not to mention gay marriage already existed in ancient Rome. Until it was abolished by the theodosian code, where existing couples were sentenced to death."
"Hiding in the closetI await to come out into a world where its ok to be meHiding in the closetWhere it is safe and warm, and no one can see me for who I really am.Hiding in the closetWhere I am truly alone, and no one can hear my cry for justice and equality Hiding in the closetI think I'll stay in hereHiding in the closet"
"*harvey milk* sorry"
"Burst down those closet doors once and for all, and stand up and start to fight.-Harvey Milk"
"As Henry Milk once said "If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door.""
"people need to realize that same sex couples should get every single last benefit that a male and female couple does. for those that say god will not accept you well id like to believe that your wrong because isn't god suppose to be one who loves and accepts all that he created...I mean if you are a great person and your only sin is that you are gay then id like to believe that god will not deny you, also is it really anyone's business if two people of the same sex want to be together and love each other, I think not. I believe that if two people love each other no matter what the gender they should be able to be together and even get married and not catch hell for it ,point made"
"Everyone should have the right to marry anyone they want. As we grow up, we learn to always be accepting of others no matter how different. We learn that judging people is rude and not appropriate. Now we get on the subject of gay marriage and people don’t want to allow it, because it's not "normal". It's confusing to children when people say be yourself and then say you can't like the same sex. Amendment 14 states that people have the right to pursue happiness. Not only that, but the government will earn more money. If gay marriage was allowed in every state, more money will be spent on weddings, honeymoons, and children. Also, more children will be adopted. Since couples won't be able to have their own children more will be adopted and instead of kids having no one, they will be in a safe, happy home with loving parents. Imagine all the benefits that we can have if all the states allow gay marriage."
"its not about right its about the definition of marriage you can't change the definition of marriage."
"i feel that same sex marriage should be aloud do to true love and that different sex marriages are exactly the same as same sex marriage. its just the affection you show for one another and the relation between you two. all though you don't need a piece of paper to tell you that you are together it shows the commitment you have for one another."
"i believe Gay Marriage should be legal because we do not base our court cases off of the bible, so why should be base one law off of it? Name one reason why gay marriage ''is wrong'' and ''unconstitutional'' without using the Bible. We can't get in the way of other's pursuit of happiness and eqaulity like our preamble says. everyone has rights, you all need to respect them despite religous aspects. I am 14 years old and i know that if you can't respect people and you are closed minded you aren't goign to go anywhere"
"I personally dont see the big issue with gay marriage. If you're happy with someone, you should be able to be with them without be criticized."
"The government is here to protect our freedom tell me if I am wrong. Now tell how the gay marriage impedes on other peoples rights. So how does the government have the right to make laws to ban it."
"I think that we should allow gay marriage. many People think that only a man and woman should be married. SCREW THAT i totally support LGBT."
"i have more than 1 friend that is bi-sexual and do i judge them because of it? NO I DO NOT!! You want to know why because its who they are and they should be able to be them. my best friends sister must be leave that she needs to hide the fact that shes a girl just so ppl woun't judge her for the fact that she is gay. so she dresses up like a boy, has a boy hair cut, & acts like a boy (sometimes only when there is ppl that dont know shes a girl). SHE SHOULDNT HAVE TO DO THAT!!"
"After reading some of these it got me really thinking. Same genders should be able to get married! One they don't hurt the 'straights', if it was a sin God would have made 'gays' in the first place, also you can disagree with it while supporting it. What if one of your friends turned out gay? What if you knew them for years. What would you do cut them off and leave them to the side saying you don't care about them anymore? If so you are down right cold hearted."
"You are beside yourself! Ha. If it was a sin God would not have not made gays. It is a result of man "taking the law in his own hands" and did not follow God and His divine will and fouled it up for everyone. If one of my friends turned out gay I would talk to the person about it and offer a solution that would not include gay marriage. It must have a lot to do with DNA mutation."
"I definitely think that gay marriage should be legal in every state in our country. Not being able to marry someone you love goes against a big theme of America: Equality among all people. By placing limits on who people can or cannot love, you are putting limits on them as a whole. America should be a country where people should not be ashamed of who they feel attracted to. Whether you love someone of the same or different gender as yourself, all Americans are humans and deserve t be treated equally by each other."
"Is it a question of love or is it lust for the same sex? What if these so called happily married same sex are to find out that their same sex marriage is not what they cracked it up to be!"
"Just don't call it marriage. That's where the argument lies. No one is out to stop people from being treated like human beings."
"I am completely for gay marriage!!!! Some say a Civil Union is more exceptable, but if they have the same rights as a "married" couple why not call it a marriage. This issue simply boils down to the fact that there is no longer a separation of Church and State. Social acceptance and religious acceptance are not to be influenced by each other. That is how our nation was originally founded."
"I live in a very gay-accepting state, and most of my friends are LGBT+. I have openly said I was Bi and most people I knew were fine with it.I think it should be legal everywhere :D"
"Without the right to freedom of marriage, the United States Government and all of the states that uphold this condemnation would face the wrath of their own hypocrisy. Most religions have a common value: Treat others like you would want to be treated. And now look what they are doing! Being redundant to the last! Homosexual relationships do not affect politics, the definition of marriage, and, most importantly, should not be affecting the way people live their lives. We were garunteed almost all freedom when our forefathers wrote the Constitution, except one. Doesn't that seem to you a little off-balance?"
"I completely agree. Lately I've been in awe that people are able to take something that is meant to mean "Treat others as you would like them to treat you" and turn it into "Hate on ___ group".This is part of the reason that I became an atheist/agnostic. (I'm not saying that I'm SURE there's no god. There perfectly well could be. I'm just saying that I think it's a bit more likely that there isn't. Or at least that I don't think any one religion is any more right than all the rest)"
"I don't understand why people are so against same-sex marriage. Marriage is supposed to be a bonding of two individuals that love each other enough to pledge the rest of their lives together. I can only imagine how much love and faithfulness goes into that. So why does it matter if the two people are the same gender? They love each other as much as any other heterosexual couple. Even if the bible says it is morally wrong, guess what? Not everybody believes in Christianity. Some people don't even have a religion!Everybody deserves happiness. It is not a choice when it comes to sexual orientation. There is no question on why females are attracted to males and vise-versa, so what is the problem a girl looks at another girl the same way?Love is love."
"Your information is incorrect. The First gay couple to be married in Massachusetts was Robert Compton and David Wilson.All people have the right to be happy and choose the lifestyle they live. It is not for others to judge, they should spend their time thinking of ways to improve themselves and not trying to hurt others. God Loves us all equally."
"Being gay or lesbian or bisexual is natural and normal. Homosexuality is found in many species, homophobia is found only in humans. Basically, if you are against homosexuals, its the same thing as being racist. Do you really want to look like all those caucasian men and women not allowing people to have rights because they looked different? I think not. Also, it annoys me when people ask lgb people when they decided to be gay or bi.Well, when did they decide to be straight? Oh yeah, thats right. IT'S NOT A CHOICE. And lets be clear, if you quote the bible(i' agnostic but i have nothing against christianity except for the whole same-sex marriage thing ) you're basically reading from something that was written when people still had slaves and women didn't have many rights. Think about that for a minute."
"when 2 people love eachother they shoukd be able to get married, wether its same sex couples or man and women. i dont give a flying mudpie sbout what the bible says when was that thig even written? ok things have drastically changed in our society why cant gay couples not be able to marry change?"
"I Support Gay Marriage Im Straight But , I Think Zack Efron Still Bomb"
"Oh, and for those who say it's "unnatural."Did you know male lions are most likely to be homosexual? So it's sort of bull when you all say it's unnatural.Also, not everyone believes in God if you haven't noticed. So you are taking away the first amendment, giving us a right to believe in what we want. If we believe homosexuality is good, then let it be. Also, didn't God himself say "Love Thy Neighbor" Or something like that? I mean come on! If you guys were true Christians you would actually understand that! But no, your heads are way to far up your butts to even see the light of day."
"Religeon should not control everything... I am pretty religeon myself but most churches as it says here, "Many religious leaders and churches support gay marriage and say it is consistent with scripture." the last Pro's on the page. I accept it. All people are humans... Just deal with it. No one is judged on which person should become President, so what is wrong with same-sex marrige? Alot of people support it... I am only 14 and know alot about this stuff."
"We have always been told not to incorporate religion into our own matters at work, school, and law, yet when I look at this debate, most of the CON is stating that it fails the religious belief and it should not be a privilege for same-sex marriage. They are acting as if they are hypocrites and saying that it goes against their religion, even though law states we exclude our beliefs. Gay marriage is a privilege for everyone, it is a civil right and should not be excluded due to religious beliefs."
"I think people need to understand that not everybody believes in a religion. Just because the bible says something doesn't mean that everyone has to believe it."
"People are discriminated against because of the way they love. It kills me to hear that children get bullied at school for not being normal, no one is normal! Everyone is unique and special in their own ways. People should not tell others who to love or discriminate others based upon their religion. I am a senior high school student and it kills me to see people bullied because they love the same sex. Years ago we descriminated against different race mar ages, and race in general, I will NOT stand there a and let others feel like there is nothing else. I stand for gay rights and I am appalled by people who say differently!"
"Laws do not follow religion; realistically, the majority of arguments against gay marriage come from a traditional&religious standpoint, and therefore should not impact United States law.Slippery slope arguments - i.e. gay marriage will lead to bestiality - are, by definition, logical fallacies.The idea that gays should not marry because they cannot procreate would logically extend to ban marriage rights to disabled or infertile people.If children must have two parents, what would that mean for all the single mothers/fathers? Additionally, children put into the homes of gay people would most likely be there because they were abandoned by their real parents, giving them a chance at a real families.Religious objections to gay marriage are real and valid, but should not define law; to do so would defy the establishment clause of the constitution. Under the constitution, the issue should be up to the States to vote on, and the federal government has no power to ban it."
"Nice one. Tackled all of them and stamped on 'em in one stroke. Kudos"
"I think that the whole debate is honestly idiotic. They should be able to get married no matter what."
"Religion should not dictate things such as marriage. Who are you to interfere with someone's love life anyway? I'd rather be happy with a wife than miserable with a worthless husband."
"You don't choose to be gay you just are. it is like you don't choose to black or white you just are"
"All this s--- about Gay marriage is wrong and the Bible this, the Bible that is retarded. People should have the right to love who they want. I, personally, am straight, but a LOT of my friends are gay. It makes me so happy to have them be like, "BRINA!! OMG!! There is this guy and he asked me out! i think he is the one!!" and have that huge smile on their face when they are around them. My best friend Jon is gay, and he is the sweetest guy ever! he has this boyfriend who makes him so happy, you can FEEL the happiness and love radiating off of him. he smiles so big when someone says his name. THAT is what true love is... no matter what sex. If someone makes you feel like that, DON'T LET THEM GO!"
"I honestly think that gay couples have the right to get married because they have every right as everyone else. Just because they are gay doesn't mean that they are different, it just means that they are brave enough to show who they really are. And I can guarantee that most of your friends are gay but they don't tell you because they feel like they can't tell you because your judgmental and they also feel like you will never except them for who they are, and if you ask me that's just horrible and uncalled for"
"saying you can't marry someone because it's aginst your religion, is like saying you can't have a cookie be because I'm on a diet."
"So I can't marry based on the definition of marriage, or because it's an abomination, or because it violates YOUR religion?Hm, alright, I guess since I can't marry another man, we should just take away African Americans right to marry a white person, or the right to marry someone out of your financial class. That would be fair, right?NO. The point is that definitions change, people. You shouldn't look at gender to find who you love. We don't choose to be this way. I can't help that a woman's nether regions looks like a bloody roast beef to me. The LGBT community is discriminated and looked at as second class and acquire far less benefits than a married heterosexual relationship."
"You can love who ever you want, but marriage is more than love. Marriage - beside the romantic aspects - is an institutional frame, that reflects the ideal of an unselfish partnership of adults in favor of potential children. Not the least, marriage also is a symbol, that two people are willing to durably overcome conflicts resulting from their opposing sexes and in this way form the origin of society. It doesn't matter if the spouses are black or white, rich or poor. Marriage is, if you are willing to contribute to society in a very basic way. If you have a problem with this definition, you have a problem with society. And if you have an aesthetic problem, tell her not to shave - or switch off the light."
"I think gay marrige is right . No one should tell you who you cant love !"
"not that you wrong or any thing but marriage and love are 2 different things. its true that love is a part of marriage but love isnt marriage."
"Gay marriage is a right to a human being. We should be allowed to love whoever we want even if we are gay or bisexual or transgender. its our right I myself am a lesbian."
"No problem hayley: Define a new institution, under which you and your partner (and all gay or lesbians as well) have the right to register as a couble and to get specific rights connected with your mutuality - thats all. But calling it "marriage" is no human right."
"i think gay marriage should be legal if a man and a woman have the right to marry then why cant the same sex it may have problems but there are important men and women who believe in the same sex marriages it wouldn't be fair if the same sex couldn't have marriage to prove their unending love for each other the should be able to show proof of their love for each other and be proud of who they really are they shouldn't have to be ashamed of who they have grown to be it inst fair they are being treated as if they are a crime against nature and the government shouldn't have a single comment unless it is to approve same sex marriage."
"Some of the blanketed statements are wrong. In fact, a lot are wrong. Being a homosexual is not an abomination. GOD MADE ME THIS WAY. If he didn't want me to be gay, I'd be straight. I am a christian, and I have been a faithful and loving follower of God. To say that God hates gays is just ignorant. God created man in his image. What if God's gay? Or bisexual? Did you think about THAT? *to the ignorant close minded individuals out there. DO YOUR RESEARCH."
"I don't think God hates the homosexual, but 1 Timothy 1:10 states this: "We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me."According to this passage, homosexuality is a sin.As for my opinion--I think marriage became unsacred long before gay marriage was allowed. The real problem isn't that marriage is designed for a man and a woman--the problem is that marriage was intended to be for a man and woman who honor Jesus Christ. Since the days of Jesus, we have allowed any straight couple, Christian or not, to marry, saying they honor God when they clearly do not. Marriage now is not the intended marriage The Bible speaks of, and churches have allowed any and all straight couples, who say they will honor God, and never set foot in a church following. That is the true injustice to marriage."
"No one reasonable is saying that God hates gays. Those that do misunderstand the nature of God and man, as you do when you ask if God could be homosexual. Every monotheistic religion holds Him as infinite, the Origin of all. We cannot hope to fully understand Him or His plan, as we are finite creations. Living in time, we cannot comprehend that outside of time. Only through what He has revealed to us through Divine Revelation (directly interceding in the physical world) and through right reason can we know of such truths as His Love.Whether or not one is born with homosexual tendencies is not the issue. There are people born with all manner of physical and mental abnormalities. But, as you said, because man was created spiritually in God's image, each human person, as a human life, regardless of their physical or mental state, has a dignity all must recognize. When anyone denies this dignity, they commit sin. If someone denies their own dignity through their actions, they sin against themselves and against God. We are all called to affirm eachother's dignity, meaning moral people cannot sit idly without comment and permit others to harm themselves. If you wish, I will do my best to explain further. Just ask. :)"
"......people should not have their tax dollars used to support something they don't believe in...If that's the case than gay people should not have to pay taxes if that's the logic of this statement."
"yes I think all people should have the same rights in all things, including marriage. I find it sad that religion is used to exclude people, that isn't what being a Christian is about"
"I hate how people use the bible to say gays can't get married if u read it in the bible it says we should kill gays not say they can't marry so if you use the bible it says we should kill them. Plus how does someone else's marriage affect your life. Also if you think that we need to make more kids there are so many children without parent that are in foster homes. So why do we need to have more kids if some of the ones we already have are not being takin care of. And study shows that children raised by same sex couples are 6% higher in health and happiness. So I don't get why people say it's such a bad thing I am a girl and I like girls and boys I'm what you'd call bisexual and if I get married to a girl why does that madder to you you don't know me personally so who gives."
"marriage is marriage and love is love. Gay marriage will not destroy america and it is not a choice. Religion is not a valid argument because the bible does not write the law and it contradicts itself. If people against gay marriage believe that it affects them in any way it doesn't not even a little bit. They let you live your life so why can't you let them live theirs. Honestly who are you to say who can marry who. Why cant people have equality all you gotta do is check a box and go on with your life."
"Constitution protection? Civil right protection? How is this still a debate in America"
"No body goes around saying eww, you like a boy but you are a girl. Yet people will go around saying eww, you like a boy but you are a boy. What really is the difference? It is a personal decision. No body should butt into someone else's privacy."
"To all of those saying that this should be banned:How does somebody marrying somebody they love affect you?In what way does it interfere with your rights?How does it keep you from living your life?How are we taking away rights you've always had by simply claiming ours?"
"Thank you for created this two sided article, it was very helpful for an assignment. Arguements against gay marriage are so ignorant, why are some people so close-minded? It frustrates me - how does it even affect you?! Anyway thank you"
"I really don't see how a man and women are the only thing that is "holy" in a marriage. How could it not be more "holy" to be Pan sexual? If god was actually attracted to human beings then that is what he would be. It is also confusing to how any religion (Christianity mostly), could be against asexual people, because that is exactly what you [Christans] say that all unmarried people should be. "don't have sex before you marry" Is being asexual for 18 years at least. (The priest in a Catholic religion is also asexual if ya think about it)."
"In my opinion I think gay marriage shouldn't be illegal. Everyone may be different on the outside but on the inside we are all the same."
"yes!!!!!! I am a lesbian and I completely agree with gay marriage!!!"
"Now that we are sequestered to marry same sex we can crawl out from underneath a rock and be petted?!"
"It will take time for any new right to be completely excepted. Government can't protect us from other people viewpoints. We can legally maintain or own ideals and beliefs. Be patient."
"Government recognition of any marriage or any marriage rights, responsibilities or benefits in American law is unconstitutional.The constitutional support for the argument is outlined in the article "Opinion: Marriage Rights and the US Constitution" at:http://marriage-rights-and-us-constitution.blogspot.com/Arm yourself with the fair, equitable and constitutional solution to the marriage rights issue."
"Oh and one more thing.Let me just highlight one thing... in the definition of marriage that I would LOVE to point out."MAN AND WOMAN"It means a man can get married and a woman can get married. Not that they have to get married to each other.That's just my thing on that definition."
"I think people should be allowed to marry who they want if you agree then you are a wised person if you don't then that is some sort of sexists and I feel the government is making a mistake by not letting gays and lesbians get married it could effect all people it can do good for the government just as it could do bad the bad is it will take people out of countries and they will just move to one where they can get married and if they can get married where they already live it will help the environment by them keeping their good business and they would both have a pro instead of a con if you want to stop big groups of people from forming big mobs or groups of people it will keep the streets clean of angry gays and lesbians and the government would save a lot time by just making it to where the same sex can marry. and this will be kind of bad for the people making signs they will be out of business but it would all be over and the non same sex lovers can just get used to it they can develop the since to just accept nobody's perfect no even the presidents. mackenzie n dulaney waz here"
"God made animals: homosexuality is seen throughout the animal kingdom. God made man in his image: homosexuality has been present in mankind since the year dot. Where is the logic in using a few poorly translated (& often taken out of context) bible passages to imply that God condemns homosexuality within a loving committed relationship?I didn't 'choose' to be gay, nor can my sexual orientation be changed. Why therefore should I not be allowed to marry the person I love? Will the world end because I marry someone of the same sex? Hardly..."
"People have free will;animals don`t"
"Keep God out of it, you are blaspheming Him! You want to be gay, do not bring God into it. God is against all sin. Being gay is a sin. It says it in the bible!!!!! Thats Gods word! If you say you are Christian and do not believe or see what is wrong with being gay then you need to read your Bible because your being a false prophet teaching false doctrines."
"Gay marriage should not be legal because men and women were put on this earth to be together. Not men together or women together."
"God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve, for a reason. Did you know that Eve slept with the serpent (devil) and they convinced Adam to do it too? that created knowledge for all sin, by Eve sleeping with the devil she cheated on Adam, by Adam doing it too he brought on the sin of homosexuality. They both sinned and they both dissobeyed God and they knew this because the felt "dirty" and "unclean" "naked." All of sin for mankind started there. For them to say that God says homosexuality is ok is blasphemy. God clearly pointed out in 1 Cor 6:9 that homosexuals along with other "wrong doers" will not inherit the kingdom of God. So im sorry but if you think you can be gay and married and think that God is ok with it and that its not a sin, you will not go to heaven, dont let that be a surprise to you, it says it right in the Bible. You also cannot be born gay, and even if you disagree, in order to be saved, God said you have to be "born again" which means asking for forgivness and trying to turn your life away from sin. If you are gay and refuse to turn away from it and beleive its a sin, then you obviously dont know the Bible or God. Your loving the things and desires of this world and twitsting God's word."
"there has been a lot of talk about how the Bible is sexist and racist and a whole lot of bull crap. first off the bible does say that God made on man for one woman and that's true. being gay though doesn't mean your going to hell. its a choice to be gay your not born with it its a choice. its a sin too yes and just because some people say that they are going to hell because of it is a LIE! everyone has sinned no one I say NOONE can ever say they haven't sinned. and if the gays are going to hell like you say they are for this sin you will be joining them too. God made his kingdom for everyone. all we have to do is believe in Him and we can go to heaven gay or not. all of you against gay marriage need to stop and think that God loves us all. I am not gay no I am very much for normal marriage but I am not going to judge others cause its not honestly my job to do that nor is it yours."
"The pairing an marriage of the heterosexual majority is to be more complicated by gay marriage.If hetero and homo-sexual life style in the form of a gender-independent institutionalization as marriage are valued equally in a society, thus educated young men in search of a partner - unlike today - have to assume ex ante that the best friend of her beloved one represents a competitor to them. Their strategies to recruit the woman will become more complex, their confidence for success will fall.This applies even if the changed social values do not lead to a higher number of homosexual or homosexually behaving people. So the right for a relatively very small minority will become a great obstacle for the pairing of the overwhelming demographic majority."
"Actually, gay people will be more opened and much less closeted, so "educated young men" will have easier time knowing who's gay and who isn't. Regardless, trying to restrict someone else's civil rights because it "inconvenient" is utterly wrong and despicable."
"So basically, you're saying that Men will become unsure if the person they are interested in is gay? While I agree this could be an issue, usually homosexual people have more obvious tells and qualities of their sexual preference. And instead of "Not asking", men will need to learn to put themselves out more. Heck, maybe it'll teach this generation to be a little more outgoing. God knows we need it.Besides, even if what you say is true, that is a minor issue. Issues of social tendencies should be overlooked by issues of civil rights and freedom. Right now, if a homosexual couple has a crisis and one is hospitalized, the spouse will have no legal say in his goodwill and care. This is just one of many legal reasons presented with gay marriage. And I don't know about you, but I honestly think THAT is a bigger problem than a little competition for a partner."
"Dear Chris,Young men will simply not ask a woman which is accompanied by another woman, admitting that she is allready in an relationship. This is it, what todays men whoul not care about and what is likely to change in a society, where already children learn about the eqality of homosexual and heterosexual relationships."
"If you're a heterosexual man in search of a partner and you can't get to first base, blaming your rejection on "homosexually behaving" women is avoiding the obvious.The heterosexual women you ask out just don't like you and the homosexual women you ask out can probably tell that you don't just want to be their friend.The solution is to quit asking gay women for a date and, instead, concentrate on relating to straight women as though they are human beings, not sex objects. ."
""Dear Ben,I do not see how you are responding to my criticism of gay marriage, because of foreseeable major difficulties in heterosexual dating. I have not criticized, that men will more often come to gays, but - with no heteronormativity in place anymore - they will have problems in identifying suitable female partners - before they respond at all. And of course it is not wrong and reprehensible to refer to possible negative external effects of a general recognition of homosexual partnerships because the consequences for society will be profound and "marriage" is not a general civil right - otherwise the polygamy would also be a civil right. It is a civil right to register ones partnership as permanent and get granted suitable privileges therefore. It is not a civil right, to call this partnership "marriage" and to demand the exact same bundle of rights.""
"Dear David,thank you for your businesslike answer. I'm not sure, if more complicated pairing is a minor issue - durable monogamy and a relatively certain prospect for every man to have a family basicly makes men stop fighting for women and becoming cooperative and sublimate their aggressive instincts - which is the basis of worksharing societies and - concerning psycho analytic theory - the driver for civilisation. High competition levels on marriage markets were never pesistently accompanied with strong culural dynamics.In my opinion gays should not marry under the same title because a society needs heteronomativity in order to stay dynamic. Gays do not necessarily need the title "civil union" or "marriage" to have similar rights. Titles like "registered partnership" whould have the same effect on mutual rights but make clear that the marriage of man and woman is the wellfounded ideal of a partnership in our society."
"Before the introduction of gay marriage in the Netherlands : there were more than 20 years of stability in the number of weddings (+ -10 %).After the introduction of gay marriage 2001:As of 2013, the marriage market has almost collapsed with a decrease of 23% compared to the year 2000."
"You are wrong--the marriage market has decreased in the Netherlands because there it is not a big deal if you get married or not. I just read several articles on women in their forties with children and living with a partner, but are not married. In the U.S., it is a massive part of our lives to get married and have kids; not so in he Netherlands."
"This not true. CBS (Dutch Statistics Bureau) figures show a peak at 124000 marriages in 1970. The number has declined since. with a small growth in the 90's. 90000 in 198095000 in 199080000 in 200088200 in 2010I am pretty sure same sex marriage did not start in 1971."
"Dear Varan,until 15 years ago it was important too in the Netherlands, whether people were married or not and the number of weddings has long been stable. After the marriage in 2001 had lost its nimbus as an exemplary form of family, it was precisely the liberal circles, who had forced the opening that gave up marriage or simply were no longer capable of forming stable partnerships.Consequently, today more children than ever are born of single parents and are much more threatened by poverty and abandonment."
"That is what happens when gay libbers get hold. It disrupts society to this extent. Could it be that societies no longer know how to even define marriage?"
"Enlighten me liberals. Was it not just a few years ago that the instituition of marriage was decried as a paternalistic scam by the liberal establishment. An useless document that gave men control over women especially hated by feminists. Now marriage is the most important thing in the world to those who once detested it. Help me understand."
"If we are going to generalize like that then try this for generalizing. Because of the bush administration IT IS A FACT THE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CAN NOT IMPROVE OUR ECONOMY. That is clearly a lie but it has a good example so how about it. Same thing aplies to you. Both the statments are generalizations."
"our government is pretty screwed up. We really only have two political parties. you may not agree with everything that a party supports, but you associate them, because you believe them to be better then the alternative, or because you agree with them on most fronts"
"Finally a lack of personal values makes every institution disposable. Who really cares about marriage can not be that flexible."
"You are the best dude."
"If you wish to know the original thought consider the first words of Adam when he woke up and saw Eve! He called her "bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh!" Here was an instant bond to his wife! Note that she was taken from the side of man that appears to symbolize that the woman was to walk BESIDE her man, not any lower! And were to be "one flesh!" There is beautiful unity in this type union. Man was given a realistic responsibility after the fall of man to "rule over the woman." I'm not sure that was really the desire of Adam but it was an assignment. It is written in the book of Genesis. In the New Testament, written by Paul, He states :"Husbands love your wives!" Please email me if I have made any sense here!"
"Both of my parents are loving and both have what I need from a parent. My dad has qualities my mom doesn't have and vice versa. Now someone answer my question: Which parent do I not need?"
"You want both of them. This does not mean you can't live without both of them. Think of all the orphans in the United States alone. Now tell me, what is better, having no parents or having two of the same parent?"
"which parent do the 500,000 kids in foster care get???"
"Yes you are right they both have qualities each other don't have ( if that made any sense) but the same applies in a same sex marriage. Just because its a woman and a woman doesn't mean they'll both be into hair and make-up and gossip and the typical girly things. They'll both have different qualities to contribute to the upbringing of their child. The same goes for a man and a man. In each same sex relationship one will be a little more on the "manly" side of things if there ever was one and one will be on the "girly" side of things. Still doesn't mean we as the human race need to put people into boxes of race, gender and sexual preference because ultimately, we are all exactly the same. If we didnt have labels the way we do then maybe we could all come to our senses and stop being so ignorant..."
"400 species of homosexual mammals, not you tell me, did some external force make them be gay, or was it the "way god intened it to be?""
"so... if parents get divorced then the child should go into foster care, or do they just bounce back and forth between broken homes? I mean moving around a lot is always great for a child's development."
"I think you need both. At least you'll know who's you mom and dad. Right?"
"Born to a mother with the joined love of a father makes it all right. Who says both parents didn't contribute to their upbringing? If anyone does then the person is a blind fool."
"I believe you are doing quite well with both parents, and I believe this is the way God intended it to be! Both have traits that you may learn and be able to use the rest of your life. Go with the best you got, and God bless!"
"Allowing gay marriage is further weakening an already weak and unstable institution. Since 1970 with the passage of no fault divorce, marriage and the family have been threatened. Divorce rates skyrocketed. This has a harmful impact on children when they are growing up without one of their biological parents. Legalizing homosexual marriage is continuing to add to this destabilization as children will always be deprived of one or both biological parents. Children are the foundation of every society. The family is the foundation of every society. In order to protect our future generations safeguarding and strengthening the family is essential."
"Actually, gay couples are LESS likely to get a divorce than straight couples. Sorry, but this is on you."
"Love is love. AS far as divorces happening, they happen because two people just aren't compatible, and for some, it was because they couldn't conform to what society says is the norm. Let's suppose, just for sake of argument, that hetero marriage was wrong or outlawed and only gay marriage was allowed? Could you yourself conform to that standard? If not, why force others to conform to such thing, if you can't conform to the norm? Don't you think it is oppressive or repressive and kind of being a bully by forcing people to conform to a standard that they cannot comply with? If the answer is yes, shouldn't people have the right to be with the ones they love? nobody's forcing you to choose who to fall in love with. Why force people who can't conform to those standards? After all, if you weren't allowed to marry someone who is hetero, wouldn't you want the standards to change? And this is from a HETERO PERSON. It's something to think about. Nobody's forcing people to marry them, or be a part of it, but people should have the right to marry whoever they want, don you think? As far as kids go, they will get used to it in time, and if their parents find true love, I am sure they will be happy with it."
"The family is the most basic fundamental unit of society. Since the family unit began to be re-imaged and re-interpreted the moral standing of society has declined. We see marriages being terminated as a general rule. The idea that Marriage is optional has had long lasting effects on the rising generations who fail to commit. We have become a people of contractual marriages that can be terminated at will because there is no commitment. A covenant marriage is where both husband and wife covenant 100% of themselves to each other. Legalizing gay marriage is not the solution to the failing family. It is part of the problem. By trying to redefine the family we are tearing it apart. The Lord has set forth the standard and example of marriage when we married Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Since then through his prophets he has reinforced this multiple times because the natural carnal man is in opposition to God."
"The Lord has set forth the standard and example of marriage when we married Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Since then through his prophets he has reinforced this multiple times because the natural carnal man is in opposition to God." If we asked the opinion of every single religious organization, then we would get no where with a decision. Your god is not the same as another persons and you speak as if your religion, whether Christian or Catholicism, has superiority over another religion. Another thing, saying that "god" is against gay marriage is ridiculous, the bible has been translated from the Hebrew language many times over and direct translation cannot be accurate. Has "god" spoken to you directly and told you that gay marriage is wrong? If that is so then where is your proof of that. The government of the United States is not ruled by religion and while you might have the freedom of speech and freedom of religion to say this, I suggest you find a reason that actually makes sense to others who are not religious or hold the same beliefs; or else your case holds no strength. Good luck in trying to take away anything from AMERICANS, especially their right to produce beautiful families."
"If your preaching to the choir, don't bother. They're already on your side. If your trying to convince someone you're right, you're taking the wrong approach. Christians who support gay marriage read the bible differently than you do. Non-Christians who support gay marriage don't care what your bible says."
""...but these prophets have communicated with God...". Hah! And what proof do you have that these "prophets" weren't any more than madmen? NONE!! You read off quotes from the bible, but You misinterpret every single syllable!"
"Your bible may say that marriage combines a man and a woman, but mine says differently. My bible says, "Marriage unites one non-Christian person with one other non-Christian person." Gay people don't choose to be that way, and even if they did, that wouldn't make it okay to use religious beliefs to decide whether they can get married or not. After all, you choose to follow the Bible. But by my bible's rules, you can't get married, and by your definition, you won't be part of a family. Does that seem fair to you?"
"yeah didn't your hero..that clerk who refuses to issue licenses to same sex couples..get divorced three times n married 4??"
"Plus the gays are forcing their movement into churches whose denominations do NOT approve of gay sex unity. One church even tried to block a conference because their belief was not accepted. The law was called and they went to jail. The particular church had also received a large donation from someone in the gay community who apparently bought their way into this church. Money talks. Turns out that church is in the OSU neighborhood if that means anything. Gays who stay celibate can be accepted but the lifestyle cannot by God or man. No gay sex."
"God has not spoken to us directly but has sent prophets to guide us, these prophets communicated with god and homosexuality is clearly not what god created us for. Religion aside, you only need to look at the human anatomy to know what is right and wrong. The mans genitals produce a semen that impregnates a womans ova, not a mans faeces in his intestines? You must not be ignorant, ignorance will surely destroy the human race. Just think simple, what is the purpose of a penis? Surely not to repeatedly penetrate an anus. This is a fetish, a choice. Not the correct one."
"I simply think that is YOUR right to be "gay". And it is MY right not to recognize your "marriage".. People have been gay since the beggining of time. It's a CHOICE YOU MAKE. And its a CHOICE I MAKE to not want to be around you. Its the great thing about America.. "FREEDOM OF CHOICE".."
"I am bisexual and I don't support the institution of marriage period. I am not willing to let any legal, monetary privileges become something that serves as a catalyst to be referred to as something reductive like gay or straight. I think that given the fact that some people fall in love with more than one person added to the way I have seen divorces end is enough for me. Go to your religious places and have ceremonies there."
"In discussing religious leaders, it is important to note that though "some" religious leaders accept it not "all" accept it. It is not a question of religious leaders but the religion in and of itself. Within the denominations of Protestant Christians there are numerous denominations who are not fore it. Using religious leaders as a PRO is a fallacy since it is not represented by the whole. All denominations within differing religions must be represented to make this claim."
"Not marriage has to be redefined, but candidates should be worthy to marry. The image of marriage will suffer if a group of eligibles is mainly interested in profiting from it's benefits and it's image and the groups members don't take marriage as a serious and binding matter. Marriage does not stand for promiscuity, marriage does not stand for party all the time, marriage does not stand for exotic sex practices and marriage does not stand for selfishness. Marriage stands for responsibility, sustainability and humility. Gay marriage is -at least in the moment - an unmature and naive plagiarism, which damages the image of marriage and makes it less attractive for indigenous aspirants to marry. So please change or find your own way."
"Well, society has changed before. Who's to say it can't change again? This predicament can be compared to the Civil Rights movement back in the '60s, and probably will have a similarly positive outcome. Oh, and I checked--your statistics are outdated severely. And secondly, how does gay marriage affect anything other than society? The answer: it doesn't. A law saying that you can't be gay isn't needed to make the world work. In fact, anything prohibiting gay marriage is the work of people who simply are scared by the change. They will get used to it, I assure you. Another point of mine is that gay marriage is as selfish as heterosexual marriage is. Heck, there are lots of heterosexual couples who don't have kids. I'm sure in 50 years there will still be enough heterosexual couples to help the human race progress, and I'm sure there will be other ways to prolong our existence by then. Thank you for your comprehension,Varan"
""Candidates should be worthy!!??""Gay marriage is plagiarism!!??"PLEASE CHANGE!!!!????"This disgusts me."
"Think this through!! Please, Oliver!!I don't see marriage as a right to gain benefits at all.In fact, I think it's quite stupid to get married just to obtain benefits.I don't understand why you think that allowing homosexual marriage will somehow damage the practice of marriage itself. It's simply adding another possibility into the structure that already exists.Can you find a (real) way that homosexual marriage affects heterosexual marriage?How could "traditional" marriage need "protection" from homosexual marriage. How on Earth could someone else's marriage that differs from yours possibly "hurt" your marriage?When I read this comment, I see words said by someone scared of change.The day that homosexual marriage has any affect whatsoever on your "straight" life, please tell me."
"Dear Anonymus,of course you are digusted - as you only see marriage as an individual right to obtain benefits. But this is not even a half-truth. Marriage is the heart of civilisation - making men - by collectively giving up to demand more than one woman - motivated to cooperate and willing to track long term goals as well as caring for their children - all for the sake of society.This institution of self-renouncement needs protection against any development, that weakens its attraction and power - as it is already threatened by liberal divorce laws and the growing influence of economic constraints on peoples lives.In countries, where gay marriage has already been allowed for longer, only 10 to 15% percent of gay/lesbian coubles are married, while its more than 70% of straigt coubles. So - as marriage obviously does not answer questions brougt up in homosexual partnerships - find your own institutional framework and avoid the weakening of marriage, as it already can be seen in many countries, that leagalised gay marriage."
"Dear Anonymus,its easy to understand, how gay marriage will affect the institution of marriage: Taken into account, that the social ideal of relationship is expressed by marriage, the seach for a partner for future generations will becomme more difficult: Straight young men will no longer compete with theire own, but additionally with women for the heart of a partner. They will admit, that two girls are in a relationsship instead of just being friends. And of course merriage will suffer, if the great majority has growing problems to akquire a partner - for what reason ever. The Netherlands were the first country to introduce gay marriage: In the 20 years before, the number of weddings was stable (+-10%). In the 12 years after its introduction the number fell by 27%...In countries, that introduced a state registered partnership of gay couples, the long term trend did not change. So an instuitution, that does not claim to lead a culture would not harm the marriage market as a whole. Registered partnerships legally can be designed to be similar to marriages and so gays should be so realistic to aknowledge, that marriage as a cultural institution is too important to fail. Thank you for your comprehension,Oliver"
"Dear Varan,you're not seriously arguing, that it will not change society ongoing, when our children learn, that marriage is man+man, women+women and man+women? This is simply the naivity, I mentioned in my post. To aknowledge gay marriage will hamper herterosexuals to become coubles, because without heteronormativity in the eyes of a male the female friends of a girl will become cometitors to him and he will become less confident than today to get her as his girlfriend. This is not negligable, because concerning to anthropologist studies a growing degree of competition on the marriage market in many cultures of the past has been followed by a decline in cohesion and cultural dynamics due to falling motivation of men to contribute to society.Of course society changes, but not all changes are desireable."
"Now, as a Christian I love everyone. I love gay people. That doesn't mean that I think it's right to be gay by my beliefs but all Christians should love all people."
"I 100% agree with your argument on loving all, and I appreciate that you can respect the other side of the argument, as some people don't know how to respect someone when having a debate.However, I disagree with the notion that you don't believe it's "right" to be gay. Now, many people claim that people are born gay, other claim it's shaped by the person's environment, and others claim it's a choice. In my opinion, how a person becomes gay does not matter at ALL, simply because there is no inherent moral wrongness in gay marriage. You may have the notion that it's "immoral", but there is nothing inherently immoral about two consenting men or consenting women having sex in privacy, doing no harm to anyone else."
"I have a cousin who is gay, but that doesn't make my love toward him any different. He is a child of God. Out of all his creations the Lord says his greatest was us, his children. He made man and women so they can support and help one another, and have children. If there is not an equal balance it will effect the next generation."
"The Decline and Fall of the United States of AmericaFrom Brandeis: The Feminist Sexual Ethics Project...in the [Jewish] rabbinic [literature] giving societal recognition to same-sex marriage is among the most egregious violations that human beings can commit Marriage between members of the same gender, however, goes beyond forbidden sexual acts between individuals to the level of societal approval of this sin. When sin is no longer recognized as sin by a society, the rabbis would assert, that society loses its right to existence – like the generation of the Flood, or the defeated Egyptians and Canaanites, such a society deserves to be swept away.""
"This is the lowest I believe the US has stooped into moral/spiritual decay. I wonder how many of the justices of our supreme court are gay? Email welcome."
"Marriage belongs to the cultural heritage of mankind and can not be changed in its core and be taken away from future generations.After monogamy had been intvented in early agricultural societies for heritage reasons, it smoothened the competition between men for women, so that men could cooperate beyond existential matters. Young men were confident to procreate and grow up their own offspring, rather than killing or driving away the alpha male of a horde in order to conquer women.After the stop of permanent fighting against each other, men could work together and use their energy for improving living conditions. Their motivation to do so was enhanced by their responsibility for woman and children.As a result, the first civilizations developed. In Mesopotamia and regardless of it in India, China and later in Europe and the Americas: The dominant form of family in high cultures was One Man - One Woman. Marriage can thus be called the "mother of civilization"."
"First of all, stop involving religion. Honestly. Christianity is so messed up, it's hilarious. Racism, messages of love, and blatant violence, in the same book. Gay marriage doesn't create children, which is the purpose of marriage. Therefore, it is immoral, naturally. No Christian views involved."
"The purpose of marriage is to spend your life with someone you love. There are already too many people on earth, anyway!"
"I guess infertile couples should not be given the right to marry either, right?"
"There are plenty of married couples who never have children, or who adopt children instead. Are their marriages invalid?"
"If someone gay doesn't have the right to adopt a child, then isn't that against you saying that all married couples are supposed to have a child."
"I do not agree with Gay marriage. I am neither a bigot nor a Christian. I do agree with gay couples having rights to legal unions with many of the legal rights, eg financial and health benefits of non-gay couples. I don't agree with gay couples having right to adoption or surrogacy. I believe the issue should be considered with a long term view - how will it change culture in 50 yrs?. I understand that we can't change our biological make up, but that making the unusual into the usual - there will be a growth in gay by choice, or for kicks etc. I am concerned that years from now, there will be unexpected problems such as new streams of litigation against religious organisations, such as gay teachers having the right to suggest to the impressionable, that there is a choice in your sexual orientation. I am concerned that non- biological parents are more represented in the statics related to domestic violence and sexual assault and I do not want to see a larger rising percentage of families with only one biological parent. I agree with others on this site who argue that the wrong emphasis is being debated."
"It annoys me when people are so greedy that they will try to take legal action to ensure that a simple word doesn't have a broader term."
"There is a problem with this topic the Bible is where marriage was introduced and it states "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." it says a man and wife so the idea of gay marriage can not be a topic that can be debated or made legal because it would change the definition of marriage. A man and his wife is a man and a husband is a man and a woman. So how can two people of the same sex be a man and wife. It is the same thing as young people think that this # means hash tag and not the symbol for a number witch was changed to a pound sign latter on the telephone. If you change the meaning of words or definitions then nothing has any meaning so neither does marriage."
"Marriage is not a right. Society has always regulated who can and can't get married. Children can't get married. They don't have the right. Someone that is already married can't take a second spouse. They would be guilty of a felony called bigamy. They would go to jail. There are other types of illegal marriage as well: brother and sister, father and daughter, mother and son, adult and minor, etc. The point is: society has for good reason chosen to say who can and who can't get married, in other words, which couples are eligible for a marriage license. There are many reasons why society has traditionally refused to approve of same-sex marriage. The best reason out of many is to, as far as is possible, protect the natural rights of children to know and be in relationship with their biological parents. Same-sex marriages interfere with this natural right of children to be raised by a loving heterosexual couple, whereby the child receives the balanced experience of healthy male-female relationship."
"You're assuming an awful lot. Everyday I read the paper and see stories about heterosexual parents abusing their children. Just because a couple is straight that doesn't mean they're going to be loving towards their children. What about the rights of those children to be raised by a loving couple?Teens have babies they don't want. Homosexuals don't have babies by accident. They adopt babies because they want to be parents and love those children. They don't have babies in a public bathroom and leave them there."
"life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are rights. does marriage not fit into these categories?"
"Marriage is indeed a right. Also the public as well as the married persons must somehow be protected since it has to do with material possessions because marriage includes a contract where both persons have equal share. It is good that society has laws. In fact, laws on marriage have existed for thousands of years! In some societies a man is allowed to have as many as four wives, information from an Iran resident who claimed that was the legal number, but claimed to have seven wives, illegally. Problems of a serious nature occur when persons who are closely related cause birth defects. The closest relative, if this is correct, is second cousin, or "kissing cousin." Minors are too young and cannot, do not understand the process. It's true that the laws regarding marriage are for the good of the married couple."
"very well said! iIt is just so sad that gay people think only of themselves and their "rights". Next thing - a pedophile will be outraged he can't marry a little girl, and there will be a battle for his "rights""
"what would god himself say about homosexulaity?"
"Do you mean what he would say today or 3500 years ago??if you mean 3500 years ago he probably would have said "ehh no lets not have that" but today he would say "yes humans are humans" and you wanna know why he would say this?? He would say this because FOR GOD'S SAKE HE MADE HUMAN KIND!! Also most LGBT people can agree that we didn't become gay we were born gay. So what does that make out of your god if he made us gay????"
"Did man-kind really invent marriage? If we didn`t than who are we to rearrange it. also"
"It doesn't matter who created it....people are allowed to marry who ever they want."
"That is so true, I like how you worded it."
"When you guys are accepting this Gay marriage thing think about Jesus. So many people in this world do not believe in Jesus because you cannot see him. Newsflash it is called Faith. And the bible is not sexism, it tells not to do a those things because you are insulting Jesus, if you go out and decide to change something about yourself that Jesus made with his own two hands. Let me ask you something what do you feel when your with your gay partner? Does your heart beat uncontrollably/ Does your heart want nothing else but be with that person? OR is your mind doing all the deciding? If you guys want to keep going on with this ridiculous idiotic stupid idea than FINE. BUT keep in mind this JESUS is coming and when he does it will NOT be pretty!"
"I am lesbian. This is extremly offensive. I do not belive in your religion. GO TO THE PRO SIDE AND READ THE POST THAT THE NAME IS fun fact& the truth. YEAH get your facts straight before you go posting stuff like this. And by the way what i feel with my girlfriend is love and it is so powerful. My heart DOES beat uncontrolablly. my heart DOES want nothing more than her. LGBT FOR LIFE"
"think LORD before doing something . it is the best choice i think :) ."
"so when Hitler, a strict christian who said that anyone who goes against the church should die, decided to murder somewhere in the ballpark of 6 million innocent people it was the right choice since he did it for the LORD."
"when I think LORD about my moms I think "Wow thanks God for bringing these two wonderful people together!" I don't think "God, remove me from the only family I have because my mother is gay and I must hate her.""
"The problem here is, homosexuality is NOT a choice. Therefore, people cannot think of the lord with the choice, because there is no choice."
"Isn't it funny how some people would rather try to force a stance on an issue upon people who do not believe in it rather than try to work to correct the core problems. Supposedly gay marriage is required to gain the benefits married heterosexual couples enjoy, but if this was the case all that was necessary is to the have a law declare that marriage and civil unions were equal. But some people decided that they would rather inflict their views on everyone else. Great going until you hold a view others don't like and you will be called ignorant and lacking in morale's and understanding."
"I don't think the whole thing is just gay marriage I think it is mostly because if gay marriage is legalized other types of marriages will be allowed like: Polygamy(The practice of having two or more wives/husbands), Incest (Sexual relationships between close relatives: like siblings or cousins), and Bestial ( Marriage between a human and animal). Those may be a large cause of the fear of Gay marriage. (Sorry for my spelling/missing letters, my keyboard is broken.)"
"homosexuals will be judged one day and cast into hell and the whole havens will rejoice and praise God for his justice. God hates homosexuality and if anyone votes for it, he is a partaker in it and will be made responsible before God for it one day. I can only give the advice to fear God who can cast YOU into Hell eternally than to please your friends or anyone who supports such a depraved thing. God is the giver of life and he is the one who gave law and order. Jesus Christ the Son of God came into the world lived a sinless live and made people aware of Sinn and the judgment to come. His message was hated among many and he got beaten up spit on and crucified. And God did not spare his only begotten Son but laid the Sin off all man upon his shoulders, in that very moment on the Cross. If a person acknowledges he is a sinner and is guilty before God and is willing to change his life according to Gods will and follow Jesus, God is also willing to forgive him through the Blood of Christ and to give him a new life (born again). Jesus said: I am the way the truth and the life and there is no other way to the father except through me! And he said that because there is nothing what can cleans you from Sin except Jesus Christ."
"You're very arrogant to make your God (who doesn't exist) say your ow hateful words..."
"God would probably be more insulted to be used as a puppet for the hateful words of others than to witness homosexuality.Let's be real, God didn't write the Bible: Old men did, and along with what they believed was true about God, they threw their personal opinions in as well."
"Okay, first of all, wow, when did the WBC get here?Second of all, the Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof." We have the freedom to not suscribe to your religion, which is (I'm assuming), Christianity. If I follow a religion that doesn't believe homosexuality is a sin, I can get married, because otherwise you are forcing me to follow your religion. For example, imagine a similar scenario: A Hindu believes that eating beef is inherently sinful, and therefore nobody anywhere should be allowed to. Seems a little ridiculous, doesn't it?"
"I don't believe in God, but if he's real and hates me for supporting Gay Marriage. So be it. I would rather spend my time in HELL, than to regret being an ass"
"The reason why God created the world is for mankind to go and reproduce,and multiply,that is why he created woman to bear children.Romans 1:21 to 32 clearly shows that God hate same sex marriage.People that are involve,if their parents are of the same sex,would they have given birth to them? So they expect others to give birth for them to adopt? Same sex marriage is totally an abomination before God.God created Adam and Eve,not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve.No man can CHANGE Gods law,all of us must give account of our life here earth to God on judgment day.Everyone will be judge alone.So we have to do the things of God not contrary."
"There are way too many people on Earth, so we aren't having a problem with not enough people.And many Christians believe that abortion is wrong, so there would be quite a few children with no homes that need to be adopted. I don't see what's wrong with adopting people that have no home or family and giving them a loving family!"
"If thats the case then how come infertile cuples han be together. That's bull. God can allow gay marrige considering people are doing it all that happens happens in death for now there free."
"okay, so you're saying that God gave us the world to abuse and overpopulate. and that women are here just to make babies. there are plenty of homosexaul couples that adopt orphans in need."
"In redefining marriage they have essentially taken away my first amendment right of expressive association, the right to belong to an institution that defined my beliefs, morals, way of life, etc. I belonged to such an institution, it was called marriage. When blacks gained civil rights, the definition of the word white was not changed to include both blacks and whites. So I see no basis for changing the word marriage. They could have just as easily given gay couples all the same rights as opposite sex couples under a different word. This is just another reduction in our constitutional rights."
"Pete, gay people aren't here to make sure you CAN'T get married. They just want to be able to marry as well. No one wants to destroy the "institution" of marriage, they only want to be welcomed in. Is it really that hard to be welcoming?"
"While the stuff the other Anonymous says absolutely applies as well, your analogy doesn't even make sense."When blacks gained civil rights, the definition of the word white was not changed to include both blacks and whites. So I see no basis for changing the world marriage."No. That is not a fair comparison. Changing the word "white" to include blacks would be like changing the word "straight" to include gay people.For a more accurate comparison that compares institutions rather than group labels, "freedom" was expanded to include black people after the Emancipation Proclamation."
"A few problems in your argument: The meaning of the word marriage isn't changing, it's just opening up to include same-sex marriages.Second, you still belong to your "institution." Just because gay people have arrived doesn't mean you've been kicked out."
"Okay "Anonymous", when you include something new and different in the meaning of a word you have changed the definition. At least that is what they taught me in school.Second, I no longer belong to my institution because it doesn't exist anymore. Four political appointed judges did away with it. I wonder if we established a new institution that was for only opposite sex couples and got the same rights as married couples, if the gays would demand that it's definition be changed also."
"i know its not right,my parents raised me in a christian house. i new all my life that im not ever going to lay in bed with another man. my dad died of cancer, he loved my mom.so u may not think god is real, so u think the big bang. but ether way it was MAN and WOMAN. it was not man and man or woman an woman. its not right , two of the same sex couples can not reproduce children together. so why do u do it. when i date some one or marry someone i want children and i want to teach them whats right and wrong!! Its wrong to sleep with the same sex!!!! Its wrong to sin that is a sin!! -aaron mark,13"
"Children are not the only reason to be in a relationship with someone. You marry someone because you love them and want to make a promise that you'll spend the rest of your life with them! There are people out there who are infertile, and they get married as well, so clearly it's not only about kids.Besides, there are already an insane amount of people in the world, and a gay couple can adopt a kid, which is just as good, if not even a bit better, than bringing new lives into the world."
"God created everything, but he still says that his greatest creation. I do not think that gays and lesbians are bad people, but I know God created Adam and Eve. The commandment he gave them was to replenish the earth, or to have children. Same sex marriages can't produce children."
"Exactly!!! He created everyone, but guess what he also created me and you right? And everyone else on this earth.. Which also means he created all the LGBT people as well... which means he really created us to be gay.. And to be honest every single one of us were born this way... (quoting Lady Gaga)"
"Noah was told by God to get two of every animal. One male and one female so they can reproduce. Now if he said to take a male and a male of female and female we wouldent have any animals."
"Freedom of religion"
"My religion says "He who believes that gay is marriage should be banned are sinners and will burn in eternal fire." What can you say now? It's my religion so it has be in the law."
"what do animals have to do with gay rights?"
"I say no to gay marriage because its just wrong why do you think God created man and women, so that they'll have a relationship not lesbians."
"I don't believe in God. What now?"
"I personally think that gay marriage defies nature. Marriage is between a man and a woman, and it is just crazy, insane, and not natural. Besides, if we start having same sex marriages all over the place, how will you have children? It's just weird."
"I'm not gay, but I've heard that many people feel it's natural for them. It's cause we do it for pleasure and we love the person. You know dolphins have gay sex? And they're the only other species on this planet that does it for sex. If it doesn't involve you, don't ruin it for them. Let people do what they want."
"I haven't met anyone who is for same sex marriage. Let me know when polygamy is legal and then we can look at bestiality. There's no real difference is there?"
"How is marriage between two adult humans the same as bestiality? Because it's "unnatural?" Before the spread of Christianity almost everyone identified as bisexual, so it's really heterosexuality that's unnatural and weird."
"Polygamy is already legal in some countries. As for bestiality, there IS a real difference : the fact an animal cannot consent and then is raped when it comes to sexual intercourse. It will never be allowed."
"maybe you haven't met any because you surround yourself with only like minded people with no dissenting opinion to challenge your own. also there is a wall of pro people to the left of your comment, just try reading a few."
"Sam-sex marriages go against the natural laws of species reproduction so they should not be considered legal. That's the same reason why a human and a dog cannot marry. It's impossible to reproduce. No to same-sex marriages. It's unnatural. Period."
"If you're saying that homosexuality is against nature, I guess you don't count the 1,500 species of animals where homosexuality has been observed in several animals?"
"The Internet also goes against the natural laws of communication, so it should be made illegal as well.Seriously. Marriage itself is unnatural. But homosexuality is found in nature. And it doesn't hurt anybody. So both should not be made illegal."
"Dear judges of the highest court of appeal,in your judgement you seem to have made a little mistake:Marriage is not "one of civilization's oldest institutions". civilisation is a result of marriage. Undermining marriage means undermining civilisation.Best regards,Oliver"
"Oliver, I've talked to you before. Just forget this already. It's over, we've won."
"so we'll just ignore Rome Egypt the early British and the native Americans then, none had what you call marriage but yet they had advanced and semi-peaceful societies."
"Excellent! Good to see some civilized comments!"
"An accurate assessment. The rite of marriage is sacred. The gays could have called it something other than marriage like unity, etc. The God of our fathers will take care of this and already in process. In the Bible, Romans 1 it states "For this reason God gave them over...." They were simply given over to this lifestyle since they didn't want to even maintain God in their knowledge. So I think part of God's judgement on this may be the high rate of aids among gays, plus those who seek out prostitutes are also at high risk. One vice cop commented that so far as he knew all prostitutes are infected. Eventually they die of aids."
"Marriage is the truce between the sexes. In traditional marriage a woman is equal to a man. If one allows two men to marry and buy their children from female wage slave surrogates, you destroy the meaning of identity for the child and debase females. A gay man will never be a heterosexual woman. Being a heterosexual male who can related properly to women is a learned skill. I've dated males from homosexual homes and they don't know what to do with a female. They are lost souls. One reason the U.S. military is so effective is almost all the males in it have had mothers. This makes our soldiers relatively humane. In places like Russia, a young draftee has to fear being sodomized to death. Also, with growing acceptance of homosexuality, more virile bisexual males have begun victimizing straight males that I know personally. Some males in business now feel that have to give into the bisexual agenda to survive. I also know bisexual friends who force straight males to submit and like to seduce young males into the lifestyle. A man who is willing to take an oath to take care of a woman "until death do us part" despite her getting fat, or aging, being emotional, etc. deserves the financial perks we give heterosexuals."
"You are (obviously) right when you say a gay man will never be a heterosexual woman.But how many times must we gay marriage supporters say that this "every child needs a mother" argument is ridiculous? Gay marriage even opens the possibility of two moms!!You talk about homosexual males you've dated as "not knowing what to do" with a woman? That's probably because of something YOU'RE doing, Kira."
"In the Superbowl even Kobe Bryant is a nobody.Marriage = Man + Woman. Better find your own institution for homosexual unions."
"Marriage is for everybody aND anybody. Gay or not."
"Dear Varan, compared to the importance that the institution of marriage has had for civilisation for more than 5.000 years, the kind of sexuality that you regard as so important in fact is no more than a childish game. Since due to your passion you seem to have lost your willingness to critically examine your own desires, I speak to you, consequently, like to talk to a naive person. In your posts I was not able to find much more than contempt and impoliteness. Nevertheless I invite you, to dispute my posts in a businesslike manner - otherwise a discussion with you makes no sense."
"you're too late.. we won. : )"
"Contempt and impoliteness only toward people who are entirely in the wrong, like you."
"Now who's being overly confident, eh? And no, I'm not in the wrong game, as this isn't a game at all. I would have noticed if it was. Straight to my point, my attitude has nothing to do whatsoever with critical thinking. Yours does though, but I can see right through it. Faux politeness matters not to someone who ignores it. As you obviously have either a computer, phone, or some other device, you can obviously read my other posts but are purposefully trying to be obtuse."
"I'm sorry, Oliver, but I think we have already chosen our institution. Now we may rely on the Supreme Court, not you or any other damn fool like you, to judge the situation as it is. And I'm sure you've already heard how well that is going.????Thank you for your time badly spent reading this post, Oliver.Varan"
"Dear Varan,great that you are so confident - but what has your attitude to do with critical thinking? You're still in the wrong game.Best regards,Oliver"
"i think it isnt right... God made adam and eve to be toghether united as one. He did not make adam and steve or eve and carly"
"then why did G-d create gay people?"
"Gay marriage is something that is against religions. God says that a family needs a man and a women. In the beginning there was a man and there was a women. There were no homosexuals. A child needs a mom and a dad in their life to get both sides of a happy home. There was a reason why it was once believed that homosexuals had a mental illness."
"How do you know they didn't have homosexual children at the time? You don't know that for certain. Nobody does. Homosexuality at that time was unheard of, as in nobody knew it existed. Anyway, homosexuality is not, I repeat is NOT a mental illness. It is just what it is. Anyway, I am sure they did exist at the time, only they weren't open, and because of the time, they wouldn't dare tell people, which is sad, since no person should hide who they are, because society says so. People have the right to be who they are. Religions are a sham, and often an excuse to bully people, as many examples in both culture and society has shown. Not all children who live in a traditional household have a happy life, and gay people may be great parents, and all that. Bottom line, a child doesn't care if they have two men, or two women taking care of them. They need a loving and stable home that will give them all the love and attention they need, irregardless of their parent situation. Homosexuality was once classified as a mental illness, because of ignorance, and lack of education, and to a greater extent, interaction, and bias. If people took the time to learn about things, as we do now, they would know it wasn't a sham. Food for thought."
"When God made adem and eve he did not make adem and james, or eve and macy. ITS not right.im 13 this is not the world i want my kids to grow up in if my child goes gay GOD HELP HIM!!!this SH*t is not right when god come he will judge me and them, for are sins if u know god is real love women if your a man and love men if your a women. it should not be right!!!"
"then why did God create gay people?"
"Why would people want to get married, well you know men can't have a child with another one because it is not right to do this. In the bible God order to marry men and wife not no dam men and men together in a bed together"
"Let me just say this: soon very soon in the scientific community they are coming with a way that the LGBT couples can have kids together.... Why don't you take into consideration how you would feel if the tables were turned if instead of hate on LGBT couples it would be on straight couples and marriage how would you feel then???"
"No Because it is against the laws Of Nature Man For a Woman and a Woman For Man Not man for man and woman for woman. its disgusting..."
"Actually, homosexual behaviors have been documented in over 1,500 species of animals. Homosexuality isn't against nature after all."
"sexullality isn't equality. Think again"
"Sorry, but I'm afraid there is no real argument there, just an opinion with nothing to back it up."
"Homosexuality will always be a sin and know one on gods green earth can change that."
"this world is not a world of god, it is a world of the people. The people have chosen. Gay marriage is legal now."
"The Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof." We have the freedom to not suscribe to your religion, which is (I'm assuming), Christianity. If I follow a religion that doesn't believe homosexuality is a sin, I can get married, because otherwise you are forcing me to follow your religion. For example, imagine a similar scenario: A Hindu believes that eating beef is inherently sinful, and therefore nobody anywhere should be allowed to. Seems a little ridiculous, doesn't it?"
"If Gays can marry, Can i marry my Mother of Father? Or adult daughter? They can give consent. This is the right question to ask.Oke, If no children are conceived, as is the case with a gayrelationship, then having sex with my mother absolutely does NO HARM.Just 2 consenting adults.By the way, the purpose of marriages NOT solely to create offspring."
"yes, YOU have that right as a consenting adult, i don't agree with it but it is YOUR right."
"since when does if gays can marry, lead you to marrying your parents?the logic that people have is over 9000-gay people are people too! dont deny them their rights and discriminate!"
"no way it even says in bible"
"Who's bible your religion's or the millions of other "bibles" corresponding to the millions of other religions. We shouldn't base laws off of Christianity just because it is a larger religion than most others.... Also separation of Church and State therefore you have no reason to quote the bible or say oh it shouldn't because of the bible.... Just think about that."
"Who cares....people who are gay have the right to marry the same sex. It doesn't matter if it's in the bible or not. Heck, I'm not Christian, so I don't know what the Bible says,but just because it says we are not allowed to doesn't mean we cant. If u r gay and are Christian then fine listen to the bible. But if not,go ahead get married."
"Who cares people can love whoever they want"
"Two guys want to have sex with each other. Fine. But why they should get a tax break because of that?"
"And why should you?"
"Heterosexuals haven't evolved new reproductive organs. The combinations of nerve and hormone binding is not normal homosspien, it is as like msmmsls like dogs and cats. Its not marriage. It causes diseases and is against the hypocrstic oath. It is from violent treatment of females and disrespect for their secondary drxusl development. Homosexuals fear menstration and envy pregnancy and female orgasms most men can't respect women's sexuality and expect servitude and obedience. These debates are driven by male demands for superiority over women psychologically and physically it is an attempt to force people to believe homos are normal when they use heterosexual organs like dogs and cats"
"I'm torn on the issue. Where i have a hard time is the arguments in favor of gay marriage. One of the arguments is that animals engage in homosexual behavior, therefore it is ok. However, animals also engage is cannibalism/murder--I wouldn't jump to a conclusion that says murdering people is all of a sudden ok because animals do it. Could someone pro please elaborate on why this is used as an argument and why it seems to be so successful an argument?"
"Animals engaging in homosexual behavior proves that it is natural.But with the murder/cannibalism thing, animals do that to eat and survive. It's natural for them, and we actually engage in the same thing. We don't need to kill other humans to eat and survive, like animals, but we do eat smaller animals like chickens, cows, etc."
"Animals engaging in homosexual behavior doesn't make it okay, it makes it natural ; what makes it okay - and what makes the difference from harmful practices like cannibalism animals are not aware of - is that it doesn't hurt anybody. QED."
"*applause* well spoken! I'm NOT gay..."
"Good question, Matt. I agree that this is a strange argument. Once you start to compare humans to animals, you are on a very slippery slope indeed.I too am interested in someone from the "Pro" side attempting an answer to your question, though I'm not too optimistic that anyone will actually provide much in that regard."
"To be for gay 'marriage' you must also support incest and polygamy. There are no logical arguments used to support gay 'marriage' that cannot also be applied to incest and polygamy. Should 2 brothers be allowed to marry? After all, they can love each other and they have rights too. Bet u can't give a logical reason because there isn't one."
"What is this utter nonsense?! Polygamy is only accepted by some religions, but certainly not homosexuals or most heterosexuals. Incest has quite disappeared from the world for a very long time, and to see such a much abhorred practice make a comeback would surely leave the public raring to go stab it in the back. Homosexuality has nothing to do with either of these things. As for Matt's comments, those have even more of nothing to do with homosexuality. If you are happily married, why prey on children? There is no reason other than that those who indulge in this practice are mentally insane. The same thing goes for hebephiles. Ephebophilia is somewhat different, as this refers to girls 15-19. 18 and up is legal. Anything else, and you get a cell for a good 20 years (not that I am encouraging ephebophilia, of course). So, I am afraid both of you are very sadly mistaken."
"i don't care if two people are brother and sister, married to multiple people, or anything else of the like. so long as it is two consenting ADULTS then its fine with me, the fact that you think restricting peoples ability to make decisions for themselves is disgusting."
"as well as pedophilia/hebephilia/ephebephilia; all the self-admitted hebephiles have the exact same reasonings as homosexuals if it was consentual; if it was non-conseting, then that's a different issue. I do not support statutory rape, I'm just saying the logic behind both are exactly the same."
"When allowing gays to marry in every single case you are preventing a child from being raised by at least one biological parent and in some cases maybe both biological parents. Is it fair to deny a child of a father or mother? I understand many in this country grow up with one parent or neither parents in the case of orphans. But I think we can all agree that this is not ideal. Supporting gay marriage is supporting an institution that deprives children of their natural right to biological parents. Who is society to take this right away from them? Ancient Greek society had homosexuals and it was socially acceptable to be such. But they never allowed them to marry."
"Victoria, I've got to say that I disagree with you on this.Gay couples, if they choose to adopt, wouldn't get to take a child directly from their biological family. The child would already be up for adoption, and therefore would already have lost their right to be raised by their biological parent(s).Gay marriage isn't causing the parents of these children to give them up. They do that anyway. The kids already won't get their biological parents, so gay marriage isn't denying any children any rights.Thanks,Sedruff"
"Victoria,What about surrogacy for people who cannot give birth themselves? Should this be against the law?"
"Sedruff, this is not true in the case of Ivf or surrogacy. A child will be bid deprived of one or both biological parents."
"This is more of a neutral comment than a pro or con, it's more just clarification for myself. One of the arguments I hear is that homosexuals are "born gay," that they don't choose to be gay--just as I don't choose to be straight. Fair point--however, I wasn't "born straight," and neither, I think, was anyone "born gay." It is impossible to be born with a sexual attraction to someone--normally speaking, attraction begins at adolescence; it wasn't a choice--I do, however, wonder if our surroundings impacted the decisions of our sexual preference? Are many homosexuals residing in high populations of other homosexuals, for example? I know that where I grew up, there were only a couple homosexuals, we were mostly straight; also, while my father was not a Christian, he did find poke fun of homosexuality; I wonder if that subconsciously caused me to be heterosexual. I moved into a city with a very high homosexual population, and have noticed that there is a higher number of people saying they are gay when they hit adolescence--I wonder if it was because of examples set before them saying it was ok. Just a thought--for me, it seems weird that homosexuals just sort of sprouted like wildfire over the last decade out of nowhere."
"Since times have changed, more gay youth and adults feel more comfortable coming out than before. The number of gay people have not changed, but the general acceptance have changed their view on coming out."
"My biggest con is why does this have to be so mainstream? I don't care who a person is, who they marry, but when there other more important issues than "marriage" this seems to me to be a gimmick, a way to try and assert themselves over other issues that are far more important. Examples being economy, a large push came for gay rights when we were losing troops overseas, and yet this was being placed higher in the media.Marriage is largely antiquated as it is, and as much as gays and lesbians want their rights, I also want my rights were there views aren't forced down my throat every time I turn on the TV or radio.They speak of Discrimination, that is such a vague argument, discrimination is widely accepted by the united states government everyday. Veterans preference, is a form of discrimination, EEO is a form of discrimination, how about government opening contract to women owned business another form of discrimination."
"And you know what else is discrimination? THIS ^ ENTIRE POST."
"Why does it have to be so mainstream? Because LGBT people ACTUALLY EXIST and deserve representation. And you don't want views "forced down your throat" whenever you turn on the TV? What about having racist or sexist views "forced down your throat" when you read classic literature? Or some of the more cringe-inducing modern literature? You can't deal with anyone expressing views different from yours in the public sector? Suck it up. Welcome to life, where nobody is going to shield you from the stuff you "don't agree with." If you don't like it, sorry, but the rest of us have the right to free speech just like you do, and if you can't handle that then I feel bad for you."
"I agree, it shouldnt be publicly announced and forced to be accepted by all people. I dont have to accept crap."
"There are many parameters not usually discussed. Among them, some of the arguments in favor of same gender marriage would logically apply to some same family marriages as well. And, it is much more complex than many perceive it to be. Please review "Same Gender Marriage" by D. K. Astrelu on YouTube."
"You want us to go and review your own video on YouTube...why? Why on earth would anyone do that except haters?"
"To better decide on this matter, the financial benefits should be removed first to see if these gay and lesbian sector of the society would still push for same sex unions. If they don't, then it is simply money motivated and nothing else.If it is simply money motivated, then this group does not have any right to further mess up the already messed up society we're in.If there's truly equal right along genders, then if a male goes into a ladies room, he should be free to do so without being questioned or driven out of the room. He can just claim that he is gay and exercising his right to be in the ladies room because he feels he is a female. The question for all of us is would this argument be acceptable?"
"You're kind of screwing up the facts, Phil.Gay men don't actually feel female. Some may wear makeup or carry accessories that you may associate with women, but if a man wants to be a woman, that's called transgender."
"I can understand he money related aspect, but men going into a specifically ladies only restroom is another thing. That is more ingrained into society than Christianity at this point. And no one has gone and changed the Bible deliberately, have they?"
"For everyone that thinks same sex marriage isn't mentioned in the bible it is... God says that he created marriage for man AND women specifically. The bible doesn't say that man and man or women and women shall not get married, its just indirectly implied"
"Oh, yes, the fact that it is implied in the Bible makes it much better. Yeah right. There's no difference whatsoever."
"Who the crap cares about the bible? This is not a religious argument, it is a human rights argument. Get real."
"Not everyone needs to believe in your God though, so that argument is invalid. Saying something like that is like saying "This sky guy told be it's bad, so no." Not everyone believes in God, so not everyone should believe whatever he said."
"Dont miss quote bible read Romans 1:20 to 32.Also God created Adam and Eve and not Eve and Eve.Give me example of same sex marriage in the Bible.Why did 'nt a woman marry Mary? Sam sex is not normal,lets fix the world."
"in many countries for hundreds of years it has been stated that a marriage consist of one man and one woman. Also for all of you that believe in the bible people god created Adam and eve so atom could create a population. in genesis it states that a relationship is between a man and a woman."
"and in many countries for many years humans could own other humans because the quaran and the bible as well as the Torah advocate for it, the norm based on religion never holds up."
"Marriage is actually a women's rights issue. Women need additional protections for themselves and their children that can only be provided by the right to form any number of marriages with any person or persons they may choose. There is no similar rationale applicable to men"
"So you are being sexist as well as homophobic?"
"The argument that homosexuals are being denied the 'right to love' by not being able to marry each other is flawed.I am a heterosexual man, recently married. I love my wife. But love was not my primary reason for getting married. As her boyfriend, I could have bought gifts for her, lived in the same house with her, slept in the same bed with her, had sex with her, raised children with her, talked and laughed and smiled and cried and fought and made up with her, until I died. Getting married, or not, was not an obstacle to my ability to love her.No, my primary reason for getting married was to obey my Lord Jesus Christ. If He had not commanded it, I would not have done it.Nothing stops homosexuals from loving whomever they choose. The debate is not about love. It is about authority. Whose authority do you respect?"
"Unfortunately Paul, you are confusing Holy Matrimony with marriage, which is part of the problem. Love is the ONLY reason to get married. Love is a small part of Holy Matrimony. Homosexual couples aren't interested in your religious views, but rather the opportunity to stand in front of their friends and family and declare their love and formalize their commitment to each other.Perhaps to you it becomes a question of religion and if you're comfortable minimizing the lives of others based on your inability to want to commit to married life outside of being dictated to, that is certainly your right. I will support that just as I will support the rights of homosexual couples to get married. Because that's what's RIGHT. XoXo"
"This entire post has the feeling that a robot wrote it. I do t believe that most people who support gay marriage give a damn about religion, so give me and the rest of the world 42 good reasons why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. If you can't give that many reasons, go pout in a corner or pray for God to do something which will probably never happen. So it is YOU who needs to clarify, not anyone else."
"not everybody's Lord is Jesus Christ"
"Paul-"...to obey my lord Jesus Christ..."*cough*"
"Well I can see why you believe that and to be honest I like how you didn't outright bash gay marriage or say they can't love each other. So cudos for that. But what about people who aren't into the same religion or not religious all together? Please reply."
"Varan - You're going to have to use words of your own if you want me to understand what you are trying to say. Coughing and copying me won't suffice."
"It's unfortunate that Stephen has still not responded to my reply. Nevertheless, here are my replies to others' replies:- Kade: Not everyone submits to the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is precisely what I was implying in my original post when I asked whose authority you respect.- Niki: I don't think all homosexual couples who want to get married or who actually are married would agree with your assertion that love is "the ONLY reason to get married." I also don't perceive the basis for your attempt at distinguishing "Holy Matrimony" from "marriage". I never mentioned "Holy Matrimony", so I am not sure where you are pulling that term from.- Varan: I don't think you have any basis for arbitrarily asking for 42 reasons. Furthermore, if you read my actual posts, you will see that I never mentioned religion as a basis for any argument. I think you should also check over what you type before you let errors slip through. What does "I do t believe" mean?Stephen, I'd still like to read your reply."
"Stephen, you asked "But what about people who aren't into the same religion or not religious all together?" I don't know exactly what you mean by your question, but I will try to clarify what I wrote originally. The implication of my argument was that love, by itself, is not a sufficient reason to marry. Love is a part of marriage, but insufficient as a reason to demand the right to marry. In other words, just because you love someone does not mean that you should marry them. Neither, I argue, should the law be required to provide marriage as an option to anyone solely on the basis of love. There is more to marriage than love, and a key component is obedience to Jesus Christ, the Lord. Those who do not respect the Lordship of Jesus Christ naturally would not esteem marriage in the way He does and the way His servants do. If I have not answered your question, please clarify specifically what you are asking. Thank you."
"I of course Gods authority I respect."
"who wrote this entry!?! but this is perfect! I needed this for an essay for school!"
"there have been many prominent societies that have allowed such behavior much to degradation and downfall of that those societies e.g. Greeks, Romans, Alexander the Great so on and so forth. You can argue all you want that it was other things that led to their downfall but the most prominent was Gay and Lesbianism behavior and its debauchery and decadence. I can just see it now that through all the so-called laws that have been passed in favor of these behavior will be like Islam telling the rest of the World to change or Die, you who think its right I hope you'll be the first to die from your facilitation of this behavior."
"Okay... No. I can't help but respond to this obvious troll. Homosexuals have never, or will ever, be the downfall of society. The ancient greeks were torn apart by the concept of city-states, and eventually captured. Other reasons did apply. The Roman Empire's downfall was that it was too large. They could not properly protect their borders, and eventually the whole kingdom fell. And Alexander the Great's death was in no way attributed to Homosexuality. 2) Besides extremist groups (Who don't follow proper Islam), Islam is in no way being FORCED upon others. The Quarn has multiple scriptures against such an act.3) No one is forcing you to be gay. All they want is the privilege of being legally bound to their partner. Yes, they want you to accept homosexuality as "Ok", but honestly cares if you believe it is right or not.4) Die? Die from what? AIDS? I hope you realize that Heterosexuality and Homosexuality spreads STD's just about equally. I hope no one will take your post seriously. If so, I hope I proved otherwise."
"Yeah, the U.K. is so far behind since it legalized gay rights, especially when compared to the anti gay country's of Saudi Arabia or Uganda."
"may i ask how exactly this has led to their downfall? and how we will die from "facilitation of this behavior"?"
"There is importance in Ben's comment up top that we are all missing. History is as it is so we can look back on it and learn. And evil and disrespect towards God's and his creation does lead to eventual destruction, which is why I fear our destruction GLOBALLY. Do you guys seriously think we can just sit around all day and have homosexual relations, commit adultery, indulge in intoxicants, and immerse ourselves in vices and endless vices and still be allowed to live as if we rule this world. It's like you're laughing in God's face. I think most of us are missing the bigger picture here altogether... the purpose of life... and let me tell you the purpose of life definitely isn't promoting homosexuality which has NO. USE. BUT. VICE... vice vice vice... no good comes out of sodomy but pleasure making it a VICE. Please open you're eyes people the devil has your vision blurred, your judgment clouded and your reasoning abandoned."
"The constitution reads, "marriage shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman." The legalization of same sex marriage would be unconstitutional. We are "one nation under God", according to our Pledge of Allegiance. The God we are under says that homosexuality is an abomination, yet we celebrate and condone it. There are freedoms given through the constitution such as life, liberty, peace, and happiness. If gay marriage is not stated in the constitution, are we not going against our constitution by permitting it. If we devoid the constitution, that would defeat the purpose of it and no longer make us the United States of America. We should follow the guidelines that made us the great country we are today. I sincerely pray God blesses you and have an awesome day in the Lord. Thank you for your time, A proud Louisiana and United States citizen"
"You must remember that times have changed. Not everyone believes in the power of an almighty unseen, hypocritical, illogical deity. We live in the 21st century, not the Middle Ages."
"I have just 5 words for you.Separation of church and state."
"Can you show me where in the constitution there is anything that talks about marriage? If not then you argument is invalid, and state constitutions do not count in this only the Constitution of the United States. Only executive orders have been passed at the federal level of the government. Posted by a proud bisexual teen."
"Christians, Jesus one and only command was love one another. The Government should not have the ability to determine who marries who, how many times, and certainly should not give rights or benefits to a married person that are not given to an unmarried person. In a free society if your rights stop where my rights start and vice verse. With all of that said I personally feel that homosexual marriage is a clear sign of a decline in our civilization not an improvement, certainly not enlightenment. Though even more than that I believe that for any group to deny an equal existence to any other group is also a clear sign of civilization head long rush into anarchy. If we were talking of slavery, or cannibalism it would be a different story."
"Oh of COURSE it would be a different story if it were slavery. NOT. I beg of you, look up the American Civil War."
"Those who choose same-sex unions for themselves thereby deny themselves the rights natural in opposite-sex marriages. We all have free will. We freely choose whether or not to engage in homosexual acts. Those who chose homosexual lives freely choose to forfeit marriage's natural rights, such as child-rearing."
"You are not hearing yourself clearly. That is the opposite of free will sir."
"I personally think that LGBT people are born the way that they are. I wish someone would do more investigation on this business about sexual orientation being a choice or not, because it's time that we get real answers!!Personally, I think that the "It's a choice" opinion doesn't sound right.If you have a "crush" on someone, or find wavy blond hair attractive, you don't really choose that, do you?Have you ever woken up in the morning and said "I'm going to be attracted to wavy blond hair today!!"I don't think so.How is attraction to a specific gender any different?"
"Homosexuals will not stop at the right to "marry," but will, as they always have, demand that their lifestyle be accepted as normal. By any standard, it is not normal behavior; in fact, no religion on earth, Christian or otherwise accepts it as normal.If there is a God, then by definition, He is able to get communicate with His creation; and Christians accept that He has within the Bible. Jews have, as well.The Bible does in fact declare homosexual sex an abomination (Lev 18:22), for which He condemned Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of His judgment. Choose to accept it or not; you live with the consequences of rejecting Him."
"What kind of an argument is that? An empty one, that's what. You're just going round and round and round looking like an utter buffoon. And by the way, I've already rejected "Him", so religious arguments don't affect me. Don't take the slippery slope. Because when you do, you always fall. Hard."
"If what you believe turns out to be the truth, why care? It is their conscious decision to "marry". If that means living with the consequences, so be it. Some people just want to "Sin". If it doesn't affect you... why care?"
"Blah, blah, Bible this Bible that, blah, blah. Open your eyes and realize there have been many other cultures before, during, and after yours that have been wholly acceptable of different ideas of gender and sexuality. Look up two-spirit people in Native American tribes for just one example. They would probably be doing fine today, with their republic and matriarchical society if not for Eurocentric Christian and Catholic wholesale slaughter and deceit."
"this post is an abomination; its 2015- they are gay people in our everyday lives, get over it"
"Once I am allowed to marry my boyfriend, I'll be happy. Sure, I'd love for homosexuality to be considered a normal human variant like ethnicity is, but I doubt that as we can't even agree that an African or Arab is on the same level as a Englishman or Frenchman. I don't want to change the world into all homohomoworld, but change it to an accept-human-diffrences-world"
"Larry: how does it affect you personally? I would really like people to look at this question and give a good answer. As far as gay people wanting their lifestyle to be accepted as normal, of course they will want that. But you need to think, what's worse? Not giving these PEOPLE anything, or compromising a little and allowing them the right to get married? I will never understand why homosexuality is so appalling to people...."
"Xander: To endorse homosexuality by pretending it doesn't affect anyone is both naive and dangerous. By legalizing a morally bankrupt behavior, it only opens the doors to further indulgence and the slopes get continually slipperier from there. What next? Legalize pedophilia? It doesn't affect me, directly, anyway. Right? Where does it stop?"
"What is the benefit of marriage? The benefit is that the maximum number of people will be raised with a male parental influence and a female parental influence. The tendency toward the psychological blurring of genders has obscured the importance of this, but brain science is exploding and it is making the gender distinctions clearer. When people begin to understand this, they will stop the social & economic support that is at the heart of marriage as a social institution."
"So let me get this straight. Your not exactly against gay marriage but just don't see the point in getting married? If that's the case then I can understand your point of view but this may be the wrong debate for you."
"Please clarify your position. What you have written appears to be contradictory. On the one hand, you state that gender differences in parents are beneficial for children and that brain science supports the importance of gender differences, but in your last statement you assert that society will withdraw support from traditional marriage. I don't understand your reasoning."
"Dear Ben,I do not see how you are responding to my criticism of gay marriage, because of foreseeable major difficulties in heterosexual dating. I have not criticized, that men will more often come to gays, but - with no heteronormativity in place anymore - they will have problems in identifying suitable partners - before they respond at all. And of course it is not wrong and reprehensible to refer to possible negative external effects of a general recognition of homosexual partnerships because the consequences for society will be profound and "marriage" is not a general civil right - otherwise the polygamy would also be a civil right. It is a civil right to register ones partnership as permanent and get granted suitable privileges therefore. It is not a civil right, to call this partnership "marriage" and to demand the exact same bundle of rights."
"The gay world population is about 1%, but children that are raised in gay homes produce about 30% gay children. Civil unions would be acceptable, if it is all about benefits, but marriage is sacred. And parenthood is even more sacred. A child should be raised in a home where he/she learns what it means to be a man, and what it means to be a female. They should not be taught that it is a choice."
"If marriage is sacred, why are there so many divorces? If it is so very sacred, shouldn't divorce be illegal, so as not to damage this sanctity?"
"Excellent. Best post so far. Marriage is sacred, and instituted by God."
"I think that gay is weird. I don't think that it is right but I say that let them do it. Give them the freedom even though it is wrong."
"That's not the way God created us and wants us how to live on yhtis earth..."
""yhtis"Uh, he actually wanted you to spell correctly to, also not all of us believe in God, like me. So really, that's just a stupid, biased opinion. Not trying to come off as rude, but it is and you need to do more research before stating such an ignorant opinion on the internet, because you will get bashed 50% worse than you would in real life. I guess since you don't have one, it won't happen. Oh well.Anyways, I am Atheist. What are you going to say about that? Huh? Or that the bible was man written, so God didn't really have no say in that book. Answer me that."
"Yeah, he also wants you to spell correctly, also not all of us believe in God, like me. Also, it's not a deadly sin, so he doesn't care really. The bible has 667 sins in it, yet 90% are ignored and aren't seen as one. Sadly though, gay rights in that 10%. It's sad really. It really is... and also, why would he have "created" us (I'm pansexual) if he didn't allow them, huh?I don't believe in God, so this argument is EXTREMELY invalid."
"If you are a homosexual it is a lifestyle choice and that is it. You're PRIVATE life is of no ones concern. But you cannot put homosexuality into a natural constitution such as marriage and family life. It violates natural law, and the very second we go against NATURE we begin the destruction of life as we know it. This is something only the ignorant masses will deny. You can argue as much as you like that homosexuality is natural and you can be born gay, but we all know what is nature and what is not. Man can only pro create with a woman, making this the only nature pathway end of story. Please, let us not be ignorant. It's not a matter of rights and equal opportunities. It is about us being wise and respectful to nature and the human body we have been given and protecting the life we are living. I am really concerned about the human race if this is something we even have to debate about. Please let's save the world, let's get first world tyrants out of third world countries, let's fund farming and food production, infrastructure, renewable energy, etc. Not same sex marriage... come on people. All those points aside, naked gay men and women parading in our streets in front of our children is something I will never support."
"I can't believe people actually think that being gay will destroy the world. Maybe people should start saying that straight marriage will destroy the world and see how you like it. As for saying that man can only procreate with women yes that is true but what about all the kids who get put up for adoption. Where are all those kids suppose to go? Move around from house to house for years and years until they're old enough to live on their own? Gay couples may not be able to procreate but they are just as good parents as straight couples if not better because they are more accepting than most straight couple are because they know what its like to be hated, bullied, abused. How would you feel if you were hated for all your life because of the person you fell in love with. Try that on for size before you walk around judging people."
"You can say all you want that being gay is a choice but the fact of the matter is that being gay is not a choice. You love the people or person you love and you can't change your feelings. Nature has nothing to do with the situation. If you really think about it, nature is only based on religion, and no one can justify religion for sure. Being gay is a part of someones identity and life. Trying to change that is a horrible thing to do because, again, it's not a choice and no matter how hard people like you push them to change, they can't. Instead, they'll end up unhappy and untruthful to themselves. Your comment about naked women and men parading the streets is a very untrue and unrealistic stereo type about same sex couples. Same sex couples act the same as opposite sex couples. They hold hands, they talk about futures, they go out to dinner, they raise families full of love and happiness. To say they won't be happy or "right" because the two people in the couple have the same gender identifying parts is a very inconsiderate assumption that you should never say about anyone."
"based on the hell you guys put gays through, i don't believe it is a choice. who would want to go through all that? plus, not all gay men and women parade naked in the streets.nudity and gay marriage are 2 separate things . that's really stereotypical of you. And if you want to save the world, lets start with global warming."
"Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?God says this: If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their WICKED ways, then I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land. (2 Chronicles 7:14).Marriage is instituted by God and thus the definition is established. No man or woman can open a door that God shut and Jesus Christ died for. We all must repent from our wicked ways and be healed."
"This is not a religious argument. This is a human rights argument, which you have absurdly thrust yourself into. And religion itself is frowned upon because there are lots of passages that are considered demeaning to certain groups, like gays. And please remember that the main backing behind the secession of the thirteen Southern states was that God had put them on the earth to rule over blacks. And now you are drawing the exact same card, but this time the war will be cut short by legalization of gay marriage. I garuntee it."
"what if they're a man or a woman who doesn't believe there is a G-d or a Jesus Christ"
"okay... not everyone belives in the bible...and they are always saying that its a free country and they can do what they want but if you people say no to it then techinally its not..just because you belive that the bilbe says its wrong dosent mean it is.. we dont evev know that those are real people who wrote the *bible*.. i beileve that there is a jesus but i also belive in true love.."
"Remember Sodom and Gomorrah... never actually existed ? That it's a fairy tale ?"
"The best example but for some absurd reason RELIGION is frownd upon these days??? What in the world is going on? Religion is only trying to protect us and save us from HUMILIATION and DESTRUCTION. sodom and gomorrah were destroyed for there disrespect towards god and god's creation. How can we go ahead and make the same mistake?"
"Re: #10: "Marriage should not be extended to same-sex couples because they cannot produce children together."Please let me know when we apply that exact same criterion to heterosexual couples who cannot produce children together. OR, when that became a requirement of marriage ... for anyone."
"Re: #12: "Gay marriage is incompatible with the beliefs, sacred texts, and traditions of many religious groups."Tough. America promises freedom of religious belief ... to EVERYONE."
"So true. Why can't people see that this is AMERICA and not some 3rd world country? Gosh...And this fight versus Homosexuality,Bisexuality,Pansexuality etc VS Straight people who hate them made me convert to Athiesim or not even that...Like seriously. People are as blind to color as dogs. (Get it because the flag is rainbows haha... wow bad joke.)But yeah, people just don't like change."
"Con #2 is the compelling reason against Gay marriage. If mankind all assumed homosexuality we would cease to exist as a species. We only continue to exist generation after generation as a species because men love women and have sex with them. Everyone you've every met, and certainly everyone you've ever read about in a history book is the product of usually love, and at least sex, between a man and a woman. Homosexuality is a drain on society as a whole because it fails to produce any natural off-spring, to raise it's own it must take from a natural male female relationship. I don't think you can go so radically against the natural and break down the established social order of natural offspring raised with their natural parents without serious long term consequences to society as a whole. The basic reason for families is reproduction and the raising of children."
"We aren't asking for the whole of mankind to convert to homosexuality, we just ask that we be equal, because we are here and we have to make the most out of what we are given at birth."
"I guess people are ok with spreading AIDS cause thats whats going to happen. God clearly states it too. The result of that sin along with adultery and other sexual acts not permitted by God is the diseases you get from it. So go ahead America and spread some more diseases until we are all infected, well of course except for the ones who follow the word of God and take marriage seriously between one man and one woman, theyll be saved from these diseases, hopefully their children will too, I really dont want my children growing up in a world that supports gay marriage "which is a sin" and getting false ideas about it since its being forced upon us to accept it, whats next? Acceptance of polygamy and incest. probably. Sad sad world ruled by the devil, I honestly feel bad for gay people who actually in their heads believe what they are doing is not a sin. The Bible makes it clear to us that homosexuals will not inherit heaven, if your going to be gay and sin, go do it behind close doors, dont bring children into it,they are innocent and dont force the world to accept your sexual desires.Keep it to yourself. Why does everyone have to be forced to accept gay marriage. Its like forcing people to accept murder isnt a sin. God is no liar."
"I bet you think that if a male rapes a female, that the female becomes his wife. That you shouldn't eat pork or shellfish. Wear clothes made of two different fabrics, and a load of other things that your "Bible" says are condemned by "God". If you read the original translations, also "Jesus" said nothing about homosexuality."
"Well, while some people place the blame on, real heroes are working for a cure to aids. Some one shouldn't be criticized for getting sick. Every living creature gets sick and dies. Come on!!"
"FYI, everyone can get AIDS. I could get AIDS. You could get AIDS. What difference does it make if you are gay? And actually, if you think about it, God is a liar and pretty much has been from day 1. What did the Confederates use in defense of slavery? God. Use your brain, not your eyes. Blind people probably have a higher sphere of consciousness than you do because you are so myopic."
"It is a perversion of the natural order of the universe."
"Homosexuality exist in over 400 species on this planet, Homophobia exist in only one species. Which one seems unnatural now?"
"Tell that to bats. Besides, how can the government create rules based on what is and what isn't natural. Please understand that what one coupe does is not perverting nature or the universe. It isn't all about us humans. (bats have the highest rate of homosexuality of any mammal.)"
"But it doesn't affect you at all, so why do you care?"
"homosexuals exist in all mammal species, and nothing is unnatural. if ideas, building, or acts were unnatural then just answer me this, are a birds nest or ant hill or prairie dog burrow against the universe since they don't just "magically" form out out thin air."
"If God planned for two men or two women to get married, he would have designed our bodies to be unisex. He made Adam and Eve, one man and one woman."
"1. Adam and Eve were brother and sister so what your saying is that incest is okay but gay marriage isn't. God made gay people so obviously he had this plan all along."
"if he made us unisex then there would be no "men" and "women" and there would certainly be no kids! Your argument is invalid and makes no sense."
"Religion has not a thing to do with it. Your point is a hollow opinion, considering there is no proof that god even exists. God didn't plan on humans destroying His nature for modern things such as automobiles that pollute the air, but I'm sure you drive a car..."
"Do you know how old this argument is and how stupid it sounds, plus it wasn't Adam and Eve, it was Lilith first. Second, If this was the beginning of the world then of course you would need to populate the earth."
"It is called asexual and it is a factor in nature."
"I am not for gay marriage... I am for what they call a Civil union and have the same rights as a married couple but not actually calling it Marriage. If we want to call gay marriage, Gay marriage, Its basically calling God a Hypocrite"
"I respect your beliefs, though there are other christian institutions that support gay marriage. Legalizing gay marriage will not require all churches to accept it. Therefore you should not be concerned with other denominations beliefs in the legal sense. We wouldn't have different christian denominations had we not had differing opinions of church affairs. Clearly gay marriage is one of these differing opinions and the opinion in favor of gay marriage should be respected just as the opinion against it. Therefore in fairness, gay marriage should be legal, though churches have the power to choose wether or not they will accept gay marriage in their institution."
"what is really ridiculous about all of this gay marriage ! as we were growing up we were taught that is wasn't right being Gay hell they even took Bert and Ernie off of Sesame Street because they lived together, They were so afraid that two male Muppets living together would confuse our children ! Then what the hell does this same Sex Marriage doing the kids ? I pitty any child that has to go to school and tells there classmates that they have two mothers or two fathers ! That child has no chance to live a normal life ! Even in Religion being Gay is wrong ! This Country is falling ! And its time to correct this Country and get back on track ! It should Adam and Eve never Adam and Steve ! Wake up people !"
"Wake up yourself! This isn't dreamland, this is 2015 and as long as there are people on this continent this country shall never fall. Well, maybe by your hand, but no one else's. And no one gives a damn about religious arguments except you and the Pope."
"That is the parents fault.P.S. Sesame Street were made by cowards. I don't care what people think about me. I will look and see two human beings not a gay couple. The opposite of love is control not hate."
"The country is falling because of our corrupted government. Also, it's not a bad thing. It's just that show is a christian show. Duh. Also, It's not bad to me, and it doesn't go against my religion because I'm Atheist. So, uh. Fight me, I promise you I will win. Also, fix your grammar.If you have a deviantart, note me and we will discuss this in notes.I am TheMadStingRey on Deviantart.I bet you are to chicken to fight me."
"jesus christ..... is not a valid excuse to alienate people who have no control over which gender gets them aroused. you are attracted to the opposite sex because you were born that way and gay people are vice versa since they were born the way they are, your desert fairy tale book is no excuse for misguided prejudice. i mean the bible says women are property and black people are meant to be slaves, does that sound like it was written by a level headed individual to you."
"the bible says in Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." it also says in Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.""
"the bible also says "Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you."(Leviticus 11:12) and eating shrimp isn't illegal."
"News flash: The bible was written by old men a long, long, time ago.My question: How do you know that these are "God's thoughts?" The old men that wrote the bible were homophobes. Sorry, but that's the truth.Oh, and I thought that God loved all his children.Or is this another tale in the bible that we can't believe?I hope not. But let me just say that the bible sounds like a very confusing read!!"
"Lol, Christianity and your rules.You do know some people are atheist, right?"
"The argument directly violates the first amendment. The government cannot use the bible to create laws. We have the right to our own religion."
"The bible does not write the laws. Sure the bible says all these things but the bible also says only God can judge. So who are you to decide who can marry who. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But next time you go to say something about gay marriage stop and think if it physically affects you. Gay couples have absolutely nothing to do with you. I'm not telling you that you have to like it but they let you live your life so why not let them live theirs."
"Let gay couples do what they want, but the make up of men and women are different. They are compatible. If someone chooses the same sex,it is limiting not only phyically, but mentally, psychologically and spiritually.Gays united is really the limitation because they want someone just like themselves."
"I don't think you know any gay people. Like straight couples, some gay couples are compatible and some are not. Homosexuals don't want to marry someone "just like themselves" any more than heterosexuals do.The "limitation" you perceive is only in your own mind. It's the result of growing up with homophobic pejudice and ignorance."
"You say men and women "are compatible. That is only true of heterosexual men and women. We ain't all that."
"If gay marriage is legal, there is nothing to stop all humans to marry the same sex. In 50 years or less, human will extinct. You may argue that not all are gay, sure. The same logic works here, if there is no law against thief, you cannot stop all from becoming thief. Having a law against gay marriage is simply to protect human's existence."
"The world is over populated, I am straight and have no desire to marry another female, and at the age of 14 I can assure you I will still be alive in 50 years"
"You say this like being gay is a choice, people marry because being around that person produces so much dopamine in their brain that it almost simulates addiction, in straight people this only works for the opposite sex. so the idea that the second gay marriage is legalized we will all become gay is ludicrous."
"Are you hinting that if you make gay marriage illegal, gay people will just go and marry as if they were heterosexual?I understand that you're trying to say that gay couples won't reproduce, but this doesn't help your argument. Whether gays get married or not, they still can't reproduce, so your argument is a bit illogical. If you tell someone they can't get married to the person they love, they're not just going to get married to someone else. Thanks,Sedruff"
"That might be the best thing to happen. After all, the world is too populated, and we can all afford to cut down on having kids. We can afford to cut down on how many children we have. Same sex marriage is what it is all about. It doesn't work like that. As far as humans extinct, it's almost laughable, and that is being polite. I sincerely doubt what you said will actually come to fruition, especially with laughable logic like the "thief" part. Why would anyone want to be a thief. I mean, come on. I doubt humanity would be extinct, and if so, it might be a good thing, especially since we won't have so many problems, and it might cut down on burden, period."
"Emily,In 50 years time, most if not all of us will be beyond the age of reproduction. If all were to practice homosexuality, since there is nothing to stop people from practicing it if it is legalized, by then we will arrive at a point of no return. Legalizing gay marriage has far more implications and consequences than most people think. It is not just about personal rights, but also about protecting the life style that enable the human race to continue to exist on earth. Endorsing gay marriage is endorsing a life style that threatens human existence.There are many reasons for overpopulation and by endorsing gay marriage is not going to solve it."
"Marriage is only to men and women as Honey is only to bees.Civil unions are simply a deviation of the stone to a firm Christian nation that destroys the norm just for the sake of being deviant. Love yes maybe, but God says this form of deviation is wrong as is all sin. Lesbians do not hear the Word or try to obey out of selfishness and false pride. The word "marriage" can only pertain and be used by the institution that created it, God."
"Your analogy comparing bees to homosexuals is enough to dismiss your entire argument only based on your first sentence. Unfortunately, I decided to read the rest of what you said. Using your personal belief system to combat an issue in a country that has separated church from state is pathetically futile. I am sorry that your beliefs have made you so delusional."
"A firm Christian nation? From my understanding America was founded and built upon freedom of religion."
"I think that gay marriage should not be legal, because, in the bible it says "be fruitful and multiply.""
"And what about infertiles? Or women who have gone through menopause? Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to marry too?"
"gay marriage is a very weird and nasty most people are against it. there is a ten year trend about 80 people are against it and only 10 are supporting it."
"Lol, your statement is completely without base or fact. Just admit that the only reason you don't want OTHER people doing something is because you think it's gross. Also, past performance at the polls does not account for current beliefs. Are you also for banning interracial marriage and denying rights to non-whites?"
"can you imagine falling down as a child hurting your self calling to mommy but you have no mommy to hold love comfort you two of the same cant produce life not to males not two females life begets life only death can come no kids no grandkids who takes care of the elderly you got it the kids"
"1 if I didn't have a mother I wouldn't know to call to mommy I would know to call for daddy.2 yes a gay couple cannot produce a child through reproducing this however does not mean that they can't have one or more through adoption."
"Only death comes through everyone eventually. Please stop just making up scenarios that have no basis. My father passed away when I was 7, I never called out to him because I knew he wasn't there anymore. When my mother found another man because she thought I needed a dad he turned out to be abusive, so good job heterosexual normativity."
"Kids can have the exact same bond with 2 fathers as they would a mother;"
"can you imagine being raised by two people willing to lay down their lives to protect you with almost no regard for their own safety since they can't have children of their own, how awful would that be."
"When I was growing up, I was taught not to engage in gay marriage because it is universally said that it is meant for a man and a woman to get married in religious unison. Plus it is fully against our religion. I was friends with a gay girl before and I didn't even know it. She said her and her best friend had sex under a blanket, and that is a twisted way to use sex. Those of you on the pro side, why do you think gay marriage is right?"
"Gay marriage should be legal because its just natural love just with the same genders. And I understand that u don't agree to do that practice cuz i dont want to be gay either but still if someone else wants to let them. DONT RUIN THEIR LIFE."
"Why should someone else go through nine months of hell to give birth to "your" baby because you homosexuals think what you're doing is normal? Down right disgusting and unfair."
"I'm a bit confused. If I am correct, do you believe homosexuals request women to produce their children? A majority of children from homosexual parents are adopted. These kids were born from mothers who were either not capable of raising them or had no interest in them at all. Homosexual adoption is doing society a favor by helping these children who need a guardian."
"Do you realized that there are other ways to have children, and that the women that are giving birth to a gay couple would have had to consent to it and legally sign papers? Stop generalizing everything and get the facts... I am so disappointed in so many people today.."
"If a parent is disgusted that their daughter or son is gay then they weren't good parents in the first place."
"Uh... what? Okay okay, um not only homosexuals can't kids. I am asexual which means I won't have kids. Pregnancy scares me, you know? I am also panromantic, which means I can date anyone, but mostly for personality and not sexual desire. So, it is normal. You can fight me if you want, but it won't do much good because I do my research and you don't."
"Marriage is between a man and woman only....some are born with deformanites, maybe surgery could fix that someday...it is so sick,,I call them queers,thats what they are and worse.."
"I cannot find the right words to put in this comment.Your post shocks me."
"Well, thanks for being an utter a**hole and making a fool of yourself in front of everyone. I applaud you for your stupidity, one doesn't come across that level very often. And thanks for saying that people can be cut open and fixed like a machine. You don't call a fussy car a queer with the same level of disrespect that you do a human, do you? Assuming that you think humans are machines, that is. And don't call them sick, you're the one who needs a doctor: you seem to be on some sort of hallucinogen."
"I don't know whether to be confused or sick? Yes, surgery and therapy can help some other 'un'normalities, such as a boy longing to be a girl (me), but you can't cut into someone to make them turn straight. That is one thing no one will be able to fix because it's built deep in your personality. You can't change who you are."
"Two males or two females cannot produce life! At no time in the history of humans have a new born came out of the rectum of a male. Nature does not support GAYS! Put 10,000 Gay Males on an island, allow no one to leave for 110 years, and allow no one to come. After 110 years have passed, go and count the living! All would be dead simply because Nature does not provide a way for two males to bring forth life. The female womb and the male Sperm Cell is the only way life comes into this world! Every human being has a female mother and a male father. Gays have all the rights except marriage! All gays need medical help.A perfectly born male says that it wants to be a female. He needs medical help, just as a perfectly born female say she is a male - she needs mental help also."
"Well, looks like you've just earned yourse